It's Gonna Get Ugly For Barack and Hillary

He's collecting signatures from people who say they didn't vote in the election that already happened because they believed it wouldn't count. His point is that they will be disenfranchised if it suddenly DOES count, as a counterweight to the argument that the people who did vote are being disenfranchised. That's a point I've made a few times so I was actually happy to see that.

I dunno about a re-vote, though.

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Al Sharpton is in Florida and said he is prepared to sue if Florida and Michigan's delegates are seated as is. He said there are people who didn't vote because they knew their vote wouldn't count and "there must be a formula to factor" them in.

"There were many people that did not vote, because the DNC said their vote did not count," Sharpton said on MSNBC. "Whatever way this is resolved, they must be factored in."

Sharpton instead called for a re-do of the voting in both states. "There must be a way that people can exercise their right to vote who did not vote."

Called it "absurd" that Michigan where uncommitted was on the ballot, would get their delegates seated as is.

"If they try to seat as is," Sharpton said, he and the National Action Network are prepared to file suit.

As we noted in First Read this morning, Sharpton is in Florida to meet with local National Action Network chapters in Orlando, Port St. Lucie and Miami where they will plan to sign up people who will say they didn't vote because they were "told their vote wouldn't count. And we'll do it in Michigan too."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/10/749284.aspx

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For the good of the party, it seems like Ms. Clinton should step down? After all, she trails in both popular vote and delegates.

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I'll tell her you said so, okie. I'm sure that will influence her decision.

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Do that, gustavratzenhofer, if you have access to her or her personal advisors. It would be nice if somebody would clue her into the obvious need to avoid the Democrat party train wreck if she continues down the track.

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Okie, just lay in a nice supply of popcorn and enjoy the show. If it goes to the convention, I'm going to TIVO it. Couldn't happen to a more deserving group, in my opinion.

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nappyheadedhohoho wrote:

Okie, just lay in a nice supply of popcorn and enjoy the show. If it goes to the convention, I'm going to TIVO it. Couldn't happen to a more deserving group, in my opinion.

What's happening on the Republican side? I seem to remember someone won the nomination... but it is kind of hard to remember his name since he has been out of the news for weeks.

((There was a curruption corruption scandal involving what-his-name a few weeks ago, right?))

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ebrown_p wrote:

nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
Okie, just lay in a nice supply of popcorn and enjoy the show. If it goes to the convention, I'm going to TIVO it. Couldn't happen to a more deserving group, in my opinion.

What's happening on the Republican side? I seem to remember someone won the nomination... but it is kind of hard to remember his name since he has been out of the news for weeks.

((There was a curruption corruption scandal involving what-his-name a few weeks ago, right?))

Start a thread on it. This is the Barack & Hillary show.

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ebrown_p wrote:

nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
Okie, just lay in a nice supply of popcorn and enjoy the show. If it goes to the convention, I'm going to TIVO it. Couldn't happen to a more deserving group, in my opinion.

What's happening on the Republican side? I seem to remember someone won the nomination... but it is kind of hard to remember his name since he has been out of the news for weeks.

((There was a curruption corruption scandal involving what-his-name a few weeks ago, right?))

And him being off the front page right now is both a good thing and a bad thing.

Its good because the country is watching the dem party tear itself apart, without him being a distraction.

Its bad because it keeps Hillary and Obama on the front page, where they get all the coverage and he isnt getting any.

Its actually a mixed bag for him.

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The Democrats are creating lots of sound bytes against each other for later use by the Republicans. The recorders are running 24/7. Thats a good thing.

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okie wrote:

The Democrats are creating lots of sound bytes against each other for later use by the Republicans. The recorders are running 24/7. Thats a good thing.

Yeah, kinda reminds me of the Goldwater/Rockefeller campaign. I'm guessing McCain will go down even lower than goldwater did in the final vote. what's your guess Okie?

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Very hard to make a reliable forecast of anything in this race, particularly given the unprecedented six months that remain until the party conventions and nine until the election.

The increasingly acrimonious contest between Hillary and Obama could well have a number of as yet unanticipated side effects, some of which could very adversely affect both candidates with indecided voters, particularly those who were once called "Reagan Democrats".

Explosive, exponential rises such as that seen by Obama are simply not long sustained in the real world. Eventually a levelling off, sometimes even a reversal follows. There is a lot of time left in this campaign for the often over-the-top enthusiasm of the committed Obama supporters to breed a reaction in others not so enthused.

I'm not making a forecast here, and the debacle Dyslexia is forecasting could well happen. However, there are a number of other, very different possibilities out there that could materialize as well.

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George OB wrote:

I'm not making a forecast here, and the debacle Dyslexia is forecasting could well happen. However, there are a number of other, very different possibilities out there that could materialize as well.

Yes, I suppose Eugene V Debbs could make a comeback but I'm expecting it.

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nappyheadedhohoho wrote:

Okie, just lay in a nice supply of popcorn and enjoy the show. If it goes to the convention, I'm going to TIVO it. Couldn't happen to a more deserving group, in my opinion.

Amen and pass the popcorn Very Happy

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dyslexia wrote:

okie wrote:
The Democrats are creating lots of sound bytes against each other for later use by the Republicans. The recorders are running 24/7. Thats a good thing.
Yeah, kinda reminds me of the Goldwater/Rockefeller campaign. I'm guessing McCain will go down even lower than goldwater did in the final vote. what's your guess Okie?

I don't know at this point. It is an eternity until November. I admit I don't have much faith in American voters these days. If you don't stand for anything, you will fall for almost anything. McCain's job is simply to point out how bad the Dem's candidate is, and hopefully convince enough voters that can reason anymore to vote for the Republican ticket. And also hope the Obamamania or whatever the fad is, will fade by November. And all McCain has to do is to point out Obama's record, or the lack thereof, thats all. If its Clinton by some miracle, McCain's job should even be easier.

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ebrown_p wrote:

nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
Okie, just lay in a nice supply of popcorn and enjoy the show. If it goes to the convention, I'm going to TIVO it. Couldn't happen to a more deserving group, in my opinion.

What's happening on the Republican side? I seem to remember someone won the nomination... but it is kind of hard to remember his name since he has been out of the news for weeks.

((There was a corruption corruption scandal involving what-his-name a few weeks ago, right?))

McCain will stay in the news because he is no longer quite the media darling. Being a Republican who no longer can be seen as an apostate and actually threatens a Democrat, he's in their cross hairs - witness the nonsense from the NY Times reporter on his plane just recently.

"Why are you so angry?" she so "innocently" asked.

Poor little NYT girly reporter. McCain of the wildly out of control temper went for her throat!

Anyone who sees the clip of the exchange, and is honest, will have a hard time concluding that McCain "lost his temper." Was he all Peaches & Cream with her? No, but why should he have been?

The NY Times with their universally condemned and pathetic attempt to manufacture a "corruption scandal" have made their bias and intentions clear. McCain is right to assume negative intent when any of the Grey Lady's journalistic assassins try to engage him in an argument.

His media strategy will, most likely, be to dangle possible VP choices out there, over which the schools of reporters can froth the news waters.

Hell also be able to remain in the news by chiming in on the increasingly idiotic comments the Democratic candidates will let slip within their emotionally charged battle - e.g. "I will send troops back into Iraq if Al-Qaeda tries to establish a haven there!"

It is true that the self-immolation of the Democratic Party is bound to draw the majority of news attention, but, on balance, that hurts McCain how?

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finn wrote:

Poor little NYT girly reporter

Interesting choice of words there Finn. an you say "negro"?

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okie wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
okie wrote:
The Democrats are creating lots of sound bytes against each other for later use by the Republicans. The recorders are running 24/7. Thats a good thing.
Yeah, kinda reminds me of the Goldwater/Rockefeller campaign. I'm guessing McCain will go down even lower than goldwater did in the final vote. what's your guess Okie?

I don't know at this point. It is an eternity until November. I admit I don't have much faith in American voters these days. If you don't stand for anything, you will fall for almost anything. McCain's job is simply to point out how bad the Dem's candidate is, and hopefully convince enough voters that can reason anymore to vote for the Republican ticket. And also hope the Obamamania or whatever the fad is, will fade by November. And all McCain has to do is to point out Obama's record, or the lack thereof, thats all. If its Clinton by some miracle, McCain's job should even be easier.

Of course you are right okie that it is a long time until November and just about anything could happen that might dramatically alter the political landscape.

For instance --- How many times have we seen Obama supporters take comfort in the supposition that if Obama had anything to hide, the Clinton campaign would have, by now, found it.

This is a reasonable supposition. It's as reasonable as the supposition that if Elliot Spitzer's enemies (on either side of the legal line) had anything on him it would have come out while he was running for Governor of NY. As we now know, however, the "future of the Democratic Party" was quite partial to hookers that charged up to $5,500 an hour, and so much so that he was willing to risk a violation of the Mann Act and investigation by the Feds so he could have his favorite NY honey join him at the Mayflower in DC. (A rough estimation of the cost for his spot of fun is at least $35,000. Does anyone think he actually paid this amount out of his own pocket?)

For an election year that was supposed to be a slam dunk for Democrats, 2008 seems to be coming up Republican Roses.

We can count on Hillary pointing out that Obama has never actually reached across the aisle when it counted -----but who did? Not Hilary, but John McCain.

We can count on Hillary pointing out that Obama has no real experience --- but who does? Not Hillary, but John McCain.

We can count on Hillary to point out there is no reason to believe that Obama will risk his political career to champion an issue in which he strongly believes---but who has? Not Hillary, but John McCain.

It will take a little while for the Obama Glamour to wear off, but over eight months, it surely will. Meanwhile the folks who really are interested in a politician who is willing to buck the political tide to drive a matter of personal conviction will get to know John McCain.

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dyslexia wrote:

finn wrote:
Poor little NYT girly reporter
Interesting choice of words there Finn. an you say "negro"?

Oh no, Good Ole Dys caught me in the typical freudian slip of a troglodyte conservative! Damn him, the clever 21st Century Gabby Hayes! I really meant to write Poor little NYT "woman of qualifications and character equal to or greater than any a man might exhibit" reporter, but the primal urges of my neanderthalic conservatism forced me to do otherwise.

Your analogy, while inevitable, is tortured.

In her attempt to render McCain's tight lipped reaction as "being angry" which is obvious code for crazy wild man reaction, she assumed the role of "poor little NYT girly reporter."

This is hardly the equivalent of an unconsidered use of "negro." Being charitable, I might consider that you know this to be the case but just wish to be Good Ole Dys, "Spear of The Left," but I'm afraid I've read enough of your nonsense to have lost that degree of respect for you.

I also suspect that you didn't have much trouble when left-wing black activists like Julian Bond referred to Colin Powell and Condaleeza Rice as "House Ni**ers."

You know Good Ole Dys, you're not quite as clever as you think your Stetson makes you.

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finn wrote:

I also suspect that you didn't have much trouble when left-wing black activists like Julian Bond referred to Colin Powell and Condaleeza Rice as "House Ni**ers."

really?

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And btw Finn re your Gabby Hayes ref
"You get back here you pious candy-ass sidewinder. Ain't no way that nobody is gonna' to leave this town. Hell, I was born here, an' I was raished here, an' dad gum it, I am gonna die here an' no sidewindin bushwackin, hornswaglin, cracker croaker is gonna rouin me biscuit cutter."

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