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It's Gonna Get Ugly For Barack and Hillary

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2008 12:18 pm
I know very little about McCain's family. I've heard his wife say a few things, and I think he has a younger wife, I heard Ross Perot was furious at McCain for trading in his former wife for a younger one, but beyond that, I know nothing. I am not opposing McCain because of any family issues. In regard to Romney, it seems like he has an intact family, but I would not vote for or against anyone based on that factor alone. It is a factor, but down on the list a ways. I have not even been interested enough in this factor to research it in any more depth than casual observation.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2008 12:22 pm
Fair enough; okie.
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2008 04:20 pm
mysteryman - you're jerkin our chains, right? I mean, now you're an Obama supporter?
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2008 04:32 pm
Hey Snood, how are things looking in Lousianna for the caucus on the 9th? Any local observations you can give?
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2008 04:39 pm
Just from sort of informal canvassing I've been doing, I know that the blacks I've talked to here seem quietly overjoyed at the prospect of having a black president. It's kinda funny, people don't generally talk about it unless directly asked, but when asked its as if they've been holding back all kinds of feelings of amazement at his success and fear about him being harmed, and joy that he's such an exceptional person is really in there, with a chance.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2008 04:42 pm
snood wrote:
Just from sort of informal canvassing I've been doing, I know that the blacks I've talked to here seem quietly overjoyed at the prospect of having a black president. It's kinda funny, people don't generally talk about it unless directly asked, but when asked its as if they've been holding back all kinds of feelings of amazement at his success and fear about him being harmed, and joy that he's such an exceptional person is really in there, with a chance.


Snood - I've noticed the exact same thing. Can you also ask them if they had, prior to his candidacy, planned to vote for Mrs. Clinton?

Somehow you seem to be getting less of a hedged answer than some of the rest of us - thanks!
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 09:15 am
snood wrote:
mysteryman - you're jerkin our chains, right? I mean, now you're an Obama supporter?



From what I have seen and read the last few days, I do feel he would be a better choice then Hillary.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 10:29 am
I suppose we'll all just have to wait until the curtain comes down at the finale of 'The Vagina Primaries".
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High Seas
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 03:58 pm
As I haven't the least clue what the discussion on this page is about I feel free to interrupt:

Bernie - pls go to the other Obama thread (circa p. 900) where we all learned from Lola you are now a legit resident. Some people posted congratulations, incl. G. O'B and I, though both of us qualified the congrats - he by wondering if he should vote twice to counter the menace of your vote, I by noting you're really welcome long as you learn Texas hold'em.

Some other people posted wishes as well - some of them even unconditionally!
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 04:40 pm
High Seas wrote:
As I haven't the least clue what the discussion on this page is about I feel free to interrupt:

Bernie - pls go to the other Obama thread (circa p. 900) where we all learned from Lola you are now a legit resident. Some people posted congratulations, incl. G. O'B and I, though both of us qualified the congrats - he by wondering if he should vote twice to counter the menace of your vote, I by noting you're really welcome long as you learn Texas hold'em.

Some other people posted wishes as well - some of them even unconditionally!
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Howdy ma'm. As I explained to george, citizenship is not in the cards. I have a green card now and hope to use it as a means of getting onto welfare. I'm presently training the people here in our facility in the intricacies of Saskatchewan hold'em. First we take Portland, then it's on to Berlin.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 04:47 pm
Bernie - is that altogether fair? Nobody here can spell Saskatchewan.

Btw, I decided to add signature verses to my avatar - tell me what you think....
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 05:03 pm
snood wrote:
Just from sort of informal canvassing I've been doing, I know that the blacks I've talked to here seem quietly overjoyed at the prospect of having a black president. It's kinda funny, people don't generally talk about it unless directly asked, but when asked its as if they've been holding back all kinds of feelings of amazement at his success and fear about him being harmed, and joy that he's such an exceptional person is really in there, with a chance.


Hope you get an opportunity to shake his hand, Snood. I really want that to happen for you for many of the reasons you already expressed elsewhere.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 05:19 pm
High Seas wrote:
Bernie

Btw, I decided to add signature verses to my avatar - tell me what you think....


I like it a lot.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 05:20 pm
Marlowe, Dr. Faustus.

I always liked his verses better than Shakespeare's.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 05:51 pm
This is the sort of thing that is going to be asked a lot in the upcoming weeks. The blogs are usually about a week or so ahead of the media, so...

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Hillary raised $13 million in January, much less than half of Obama's total. She now faces the prospect of a tour through Obama's territory with no lead in delegates and a huge gap in financing. The money gap could tamp down her advertising and event staging, leaving a clear field for Obama in Maryland, Virginia, Louisiana, and Nebraska. Even Washington DC and Washington state look grim.

The massive loan may not seem unusual given Mitt Romney's self-funding, but Mitt has plenty of his own money. Where did Hillary get $5 million to loan a presidential campaign? Bill and Hillary have done well on the speaking circuit, and Bill recently got $20 million or so for backing out of his partnership from Ron Burkle. At the time, speculation had Bill wanting to eliminate any potential conflicts between Burkle's business and Hillary's election.

Now, however, one has to wonder whether Burkle may have attempted to float money into Hillary's campaign while bypassing campaign-finance regulations. Did the $20 million, which came just two weeks ago, actually represent a fair-market settlement for Clinton's services and ownership stake in Yucaipa? Or did Burkle inflate it in order to allow Hillary to "loan" herself $5 million to keep pace with a surging Obama campaign?


The Clintons always seem to live at the nexus of questions regarding cash and politics. Whether we talk about Norman Hsu or Ron Burkle, their opacity in financial operations suggests a very, er, flexible attitude towards ethics in government -- and serves as a reminder why so many people oppose a Clinton Restoration.


http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/016892.php

An interesting question.

And one that gives the lie to the 'Clinton's fully vetted' bs. Bill keeps doing stuff that will be used to attack Hillary and the problem is that much of it seems to have some accuracy.

Cycloptichorn
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 08:05 pm
When snood started this thread I don't think he expected that it would be filled, almost exclusively, with ugliness directed at Hillary and Obama by Democrats.

With the rift in the Republican party already beginning to mend, it is certainly comforting to realize the turmoil is alive and well within the Democratic party. Chance of Obama or Hillary pulling out to allow the party time to unite before the general election: Almost nil.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2008 04:33 am
All things considered i don't think the campaign so far, including the Democrat struggle between Hillary & Obama, has been all that contentious or bitter. Certainly by historical standards it has been tame so far compared to say the Jefferson-Adams struggles or the elections of Andrew Jackson, Woodrow Wilson, Harry Truman, or even Eisenhower's first election. Things will, of course heat up as we get to the finals, but the stakes are high and the issues heart-felt.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2008 06:39 am
I am confident that either Hillary or Obama will have a very energized, unified and committed Democratic base working to elect McCain (and end the war in Iraq).

I would prefer that this wraps up quickly.

But, the longer primary battle does keep the Democrats on the front pages much more.... if they are smart (and keep in mind they are both Democrats) this could even be an advantage.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2008 08:06 am
"NEW ORLEANS - Democrat Barack Obama suggested Thursday that Hillary Rodham Clinton follow his lead and release her and her husband's income tax returns so the public can see where the $5 million she loaned her presidential campaign came from."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080208/ap_on_el_pr/obama_taxes

Hopefully, Clinton didn't lose these records.

This is gonna be FUN!!!
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woiyo
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2008 08:08 am
"Nearly one in five "HillRaisers," the elite big-money fundraisers for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign, have ties to the 1990s fundraising scandal that tarnished her husband's presidency by offering Democratic donors sleepovers in the Lincoln Bedroom and other perks inside the White House.
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Photos: Hillary campaigns in Arlington



# Hillary seeks youths' votes with her visions of change

Forty-nine of the Clintons' Lincoln Bedroom guests are among the 250 HillRaisers listed on Mrs. Clinton's campaign Web page, who have pledged to gather, or "bundle," at least $100,000 in donations. Some have promised to raise $1 million or more for the 2008 campaign, the most costly in U.S. history."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080208/NATION/942016032/1001
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