littlek wrote:cjhsa wrote:
This gives one an idea how large the coyote I saw was. If your dog sees this, he's going to want to go play with the other "dog". The coyote will run, lead your dog back to its pack, and kill it.
Perhaps, then, you should keep your dog on-leash or under voice command. A coyote is clever, but not clever enough to master-mind this plan. It may well be the way it turns out though. You make it sounds as if you think the coyote has it planned in advance.
Every coyote is this clever.
Re: Coyotes Are Good (not)
cjhsa wrote:msolga wrote:cjhsa wrote:It's always tough to lose a deer, but on this one I really felt like we played it by the book, did things right, and still lost out."[/i]
Doing things "right" (as a hunter) would have meant not shooting until you were certain that you could kill the unfortunate animal quickly & cleanly.
Not putting it thorough the needless pain it obviously went through before it finally died.
Vegan.... bet you hate bowhunters too....
It never ceases to amaze me what non-hunters think about hunting. What is blatently obvious is that they've never even considered trying it, though most of them are quite happy to purchase the pre-killed celophane wrapped "meat" at the store.
I meant exactly what I said in my post.
And I said nothing about bow hunters & I'm not a vegan.
OK, then try it. Then get back to me.
cjhsa wrote:OK, then try it. Then get back to me.
Well,
you could get back to me about the one statement I posted on this thread (rather than discuss veganism). I believe that's what "responsible hunting" is about?
Do you really believe this hunter wasn't trying to be responsible? That is the correct way to track an animal. If they run, you wait, at least 1/2 an hour, before following. If you cannot find them and it gets dark, you will need an expert tracker to have any chance of finding it other than by sheer luck. It could have been a perfect shot, you cannot say otherwise unless you let your emotions dictate what you think.
cj, we been dealin with coyotes fer a while down here (1880s). Maybe you should adapt to the reality of hunting among scavengers.....
RH
Rockhead wrote:cj, we been dealin with coyotes fer a while down here (1880s). Maybe you should adapt to the reality of hunting among scavengers.....
RH
I don't know if I have any choice!
Don't forget, if you are in the desert SW, you have a lot more light and longer days that we do up here, especially during fall and early winter.
Desert my ass.
Kansas has as many deer as Michigan, we just manage them better....
Coyotes are not going away, they are flippin smart.
It has little to do with my "emotions". It has to do with my concern about the unnecessary pain & distress inflicted on the deer. It is hardly an equal situation, between the shooter & the deer.
Maybe he did track the unfortunate creature "correctly" & was a bad shot? (More practise needed before another hunt.) Or maybe he shouldn't have shot so soon before dark because of the possible consequences for the creature? I'd call that "responsible".
Rockhead wrote:Desert my ass.
Kansas has as many deer as Michigan, we just manage them better....
Coyotes are not going away, they are flippin smart.
How many deer are there in Kansas (estimated)? Michigan's herd is usually about 1.6M prehunt, and about 1M after. I'm seeing much lower harvest numbers for Kansas.
msolga wrote:It has little to do with my "emotions". It has to do with my concern about the unnecessary pain & distress inflicted on the deer. It is hardly an equal situation, between the shooter & the deer.
Maybe he did track the unfortunate creature "correctly" & was a bad shot? (More practise needed before another hunt.) Or maybe he shouldn't have shot so soon before dark because of the possible consequences for the creature? I'd call that "responsible".
I'd call that looking for reasons not to hunt. Stay away.
I don't know how many deer we have here in the desert SW, but we have lots o' coyotes. Bobcats too. I occasionally see them running wild in the streets in the mornings. And I've seen them on golf courses here as well.
cjhsa wrote:msolga wrote:It has little to do with my "emotions". It has to do with my concern about the unnecessary pain & distress inflicted on the deer. It is hardly an equal situation, between the shooter & the deer.
Maybe he did track the unfortunate creature "correctly" & was a bad shot? (More practise needed before another hunt.) Or maybe he shouldn't have shot so soon before dark because of the possible consequences for the creature? I'd call that "responsible".
I'd call that looking for reasons not to hunt. Stay away.
Oh I couldn't agree more!
Fore.........
Always stand well back from the ticonator when he is trying to drive.....
coyotes beware...
I killed a heron once on a golf course unintentionally. Skipped a low liner across a pond and caught the poor sucker right in the neck. It went down flailing. Being that it was in the middle of the pond I couldn't go finish it off. I did feel bad, plus, it cost me a stroke.
You and Tico should golf, he enjoys water attractions as well....
(I would drive the cart....)
Why, oh why, did I come in here? I know better!!!!!!!!!
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cjhsa wrote:I killed a heron once on a golf course unintentionally. Skipped a low liner across a pond and caught the poor sucker right in the neck. It went down flailing. Being that it was in the middle of the pond I couldn't go finish it off. I did feel bad, plus, it cost me a stroke.
"Unintentionally" my ass.
Rockhead wrote:You and Tico should golf, he enjoys water attractions as well....
My driver is like a divining rod.
Quote:(I would drive the cart....)
Pedestrians beware. Although everyone
is probably safer when you stay in the cart.
Ticomaya wrote:cjhsa wrote:I killed a heron once on a golf course unintentionally. Skipped a low liner across a pond and caught the poor sucker right in the neck. It went down flailing. Being that it was in the middle of the pond I couldn't go finish it off. I did feel bad, plus, it cost me a stroke.
"Unintentionally" my ass.
??? I was 12. When that ball skipped instead of dove I was praying for it to clear the hazard, then that stupid bird got in the way!
