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Arctic ice cap grows 60% in one year, global warming mantra dies

 
 
Reply Tue 10 Sep, 2013 09:00 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/Global-cooling-Arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html

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Almost a million more square miles of ocean covered with ice than in 2012

BBC reported in 2007 global warming would leave Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013

Publication of UN climate change report suggesting global warming caused by humans pushed back to later this month



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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 11 Sep, 2013 05:34 pm
@gungasnake,
The funny thing about these pop "science" articles is that they miss the whole point on climate kinetics.
As a wise man at the Hawaii observatory once said
"Global warming will cause cooling, which will cycle back to warming"

Cutting off energy of ocean streams is the culprit . As themelting of polar ice has resulted in cold water entering ocean streams, the streams such as the Gulf Stream and the PAcific currents don't reach the highest latitudes which results in cooling up there.
We live on a very dynamic het engine and its global in its drive. We have to stop politicizing science.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 12 Sep, 2013 08:30 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

We have to stop politicizing science.


I sincerely agree with that.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 12 Sep, 2013 09:48 am
@gungasnake,
First, in 2012, Arctic sea ice reached a extreme record low – so any extent that wasn’t a record-breaker could be spun as an “increase.” Second, when you’re looking at long term trends in climate, you have to look at just that – the trends. Not the year to year noise. So what happens if we look at the long term trend in Arctic sea ice?
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The volume of sea ice in the Arctic hit a new low this past winter, according to observations from the European Space Agency's (Esa) Cryosat mission.

During March/April - the time of year when marine floes are at their thickest - the radar spacecraft recorded just under 15,000 cu km of ice.

In its three years of full operations, Cryosat has witnessed a continuing shrinkage of winter ice volume.

It underlines, say scientists, the long-term decline of the floes.

Data presented on September 11, 2013
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 12 Sep, 2013 09:57 am
Oh sure, Walter, clutter up the issue with mere facts.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 12 Sep, 2013 10:27 am
This is after all the libtard caterwauling over ice sheets melting.....
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 12 Sep, 2013 11:06 am
@gungasnake,
see what I mean?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 12 Sep, 2013 11:21 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
Oh sure, Walter, clutter up the issue with mere facts.
Ooops. Sorry. Facts really is confusing.
roger
 
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Reply Thu 12 Sep, 2013 01:30 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I'm tempted to post a smart alec answer here, but someone would surely quote it sometime in the next decade.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 14 Sep, 2013 09:55 am
It's the whole Earth, not just the arctic:

http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/09/14/earth-gains-a-record-amount-of-sea-ice-in-2013-earth-has-gained-19000-manhattans-of-sea-ice-since-this-date-last-year-the-largest-increase-on-record/
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 04:54 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

This is after all the libtard caterwauling over ice sheets melting.....
To quote your entrance source again:
http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zpsa39054f4.jpg
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According to the NSIDC the summer minimum has declined rapidly over the past decade. In raw area, the September sea ice extent in the past averaged around 7 million sq km. But over the past several years this has declined to around 4 to 6 million sq km.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 05:10 am
European Climate Czar: Doesn’t Matter if Climate Science Wrong

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Two things have happened with the climate debate recently that reveals that climate change apologists—better known as Europeans-- owe the rest of us an apology.

OK, make that three things have happened.

Or to put it more correctly: two things have happened and one thing has not.

What hasn’t happened, as most of us know by now, is that temperatures have not risen in the last two decades.

This pause in “global warming” has confounded the models that climate change evangelists cite when they propose to tax the rest of us, ration our energy and herd us into urban areas where we all get to ride bikes, buses and electric train cars “for our own good.”

Montana, for example, is not oceanfront property as of yet, and, the last time I looked, rising oceans have swamped no substantial islands.

This non-event has led to a bit of nervous laughter from the Left.

In a pre-release of the upcoming IPCC climate change report, UN scientists reportedly concede that their models have failed to account for this almost two decade long pause of global warming.

“One of the central issues [dealt with in the new report] is believed to be why the IPCC failed to account for the ‘pause’ in global warming,” writes the UK’s Telegraph, “which they admit that they did not predict in their computer models. Since 1997, world average temperatures have not shown any statistically significant increase.

The summary also shows that scientist have now discovered that between 950 and 1250 AD, before the Industrial Revolution, parts of the world were as warm for decades at a time as they are now.”

But still a group of scientists, who have more time on their hands than is wise, and also more money than common sense, happened to put out a new “world” map that will help us with spending more money on things scientists now admit that they don’t know about. This map is based on the climate change model we know to be flawed.

The map purports to show the world areas most susceptible to climate change; areas that will be vulnerable, of course, in some distant future when the flawed climate model suddenly, miraculously, imitates reality, likely by Divine intervention or just plain old coincidence.

“Scientists said that the new world map,” writes IBTimes, “which is created using data from the world’s ecosystems and predictions of how climate change will impact them, is expected to help governments, environmental agencies and donors identify regions that would be best served by investments in programs such as the creation of protected areas, restoration efforts and other conservation activities.”

Yup, um, scientists are always saying stuff like that with other people’s money: proposing tax credits and restoration work and off-limit areas where really, really important stuff is happening in nature.

Or perhaps not.

See, I used to think that the point of science was to actually figure out how the world really works, not how we would like it to work.

But I can see now that it’s more important to have scientific models of how the world should work.

Because just this week, the European Commissioner of Climate Change Action—a sort of European Power Ranger on climate—happened to say: so what if we got the science regarding the earth’s temperature wrong? Can’t we just be grateful to the climate model without being nitpicky on actual temperature or consequences?

"Let's say that science,” said EU weather czar Connie Hedegaard, “some decades from now, said 'we were wrong, it was not about climate', would it not in any case have been good to do many of things you have to do in order to combat climate change?"


What? Like riding bikes more? Drinking one glass of red wine a day? Shipping more Powder River Basin coal to China so that the Chinese can enjoy the benefits of the cheap, domestic U.S. coal reserves while Americans pay more for energy?

In fairness to science, Hedegaard, isn’t really a scientist. She’s more of a literary historian. Her Wikipedia entry describes her as a “public intellectual,” whatever that is.

And her defective thinking exemplifies why I’ve always been troubled by liberals’ obsession with Europe.

Talk about making bad, bad decisions as a continent.

Here’s a region of supposedly educated and superior people-- Europe that is-- who have made very few correct decisions over the last 200 years.

And after hearing from Hedegaard, I don’t think those bad decisions are chance. It’s ingrained poor processing, it’s public intellectualism.

There was that whole Hitler thing; before that the World War I thing; Napoleon, Stalin, monarchies, socialism, communism, green parties, not shaving your underarms. Horsemeat is considered a delicacy in Europe!

And another thing: Europe controlled North America for longer than there has been the United States.

In all that time they couldn’t make it profitable.

Why?

The taxes were too high. Everyone besides Obama and the Europeans know this.

So on behalf of the rest of the country, even the rest of the world, I accept your apology Europe for getting so much of history wrong.

Now let’s talk about that science thing…
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 05:16 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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Sea ice recovers from record low of 2012 but long-term trend continues towards an ice-free Arctic during the summer months
Source
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 05:19 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
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Because just this week, the European Commissioner of Climate Change Action—a sort of European Power Ranger on climate—... ... EU weather czar Connie Hedegaard

The Commissioner for Cimate Action is a post in the European Commission, the executive body of the European Union.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 05:25 am
@gungasnake,
Because you forgot to post the source:
it's from Townhall Finance and written by John Ransom, a political writer and finance editor for Townhall.com. .
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 24 Apr, 2015 03:57 am
@farmerman,
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they miss the whole point on climate kinetics.
Like mountains, continental mass and its location, ocean currents, deserts, solar activity, dust in the atmosphere, gasses worse than CO2, the earth being a self correcting system, you get the idea...

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As a wise man at the Hawaii observatory once said
"Global warming will cause cooling, which will cycle back to warming"
He didnt happen to explain the Medieval Warm Period followed by the Little Ice Age, did he ?

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We have to stop politicizing science.
Too late . I dont think anyone will have the same attitude to scientists ever again .
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 24 Apr, 2015 04:04 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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so any extent that wasn’t a record-breaker could be spun as an “increase.”
Thats not what happened here though, is it ?

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In its three years of full operations
OMG ! 3 years ?? We're doomed ! It is a pity that Global Warming and Cooling go with Climate Change and that is measured in about 100,000 year cycles .

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It underlines, say scientists, the long-term decline of the floes.
"say scientists" ....those God like creatures in lab coats who have no humanity, no greed, no corruption, no desire to go with the research money...bless 'em ! As for the long term decline of the floes, they have been fluctuating for about 3.5 million years, and shrank about 10,000 years ago . Who is to say they havent continued to shrink from the last glacial retreat ?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 24 Apr, 2015 04:34 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:
In its three years of full operations
OMG ! 3 years ?? We're doomed ! It is a pity that Global Warming and Cooling go with Climate Change and that is measured in about 100,000 year cycles .
[/quote]I'm not sure why you quote from old threads and quotes, and why you don't adjust the time to the present one. But carry on ... A2K started in 2002, and I posted from the very beginning onwards here.

And when you continue to look at old threads, you'll notice that I always write about "climate change" not this misleading term "global warming".
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 24 Apr, 2015 04:35 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:
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It underlines, say scientists, the long-term decline of the floes.
"say scientists" ....those God like creatures in lab coats who have no humanity, no greed, no corruption, no desire to go with the research money...bless 'em ! As for the long term decline of the floes, they have been fluctuating for about 3.5 million years, and shrank about 10,000 years ago . Who is to say they havent continued to shrink from the last glacial retreat ?
Please don't blame me for sentences and words in my quote: I'm neither an employee of ESA nor did I participate in that symposium.
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 24 Apr, 2015 05:59 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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Please don't blame me for sentences and words in my quote: I'm neither an employee of ESA nor did I participate in that symposium.
I wouldnt dream of blaming you Walt . I am attacking something that you quoted because if I dont, someone may assume I let it go because I agree with it . It is simply the author of the statement that I am quarreling with...
 

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