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The US Economy

 
 
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 17 Mar, 2004 08:30 pm
I must admit that I have never before heard of the "Consumer Comfort Index.' From ABC, huh?
I'm familiar, of course, with the respected "Consumer Confidence Index."
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 18 Mar, 2004 04:59 am
realjohnboy wrote:
I must admit that I have never before heard of the "Consumer Comfort Index.' From ABC, huh?
I'm familiar, of course, with the respected "Consumer Confidence Index."


I'd never heard of it either until I started browsing pollingreport.com, but here's the details on it:

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The ABC News/Money magazine
Consumer Comfort Index: Methodology

The ABC News/Money magazine Consumer Comfort Index represents a rolling average based on telephone interviews with about 1,000 adults nationwide each month. Field work is by ICR Survey Research of Media, Pa. The survey began in December 1985.

Based on ratings of the economy, the buying climate, and personal finances, the index is derived as follows: The negative response to each index question is subtracted from the positive response to that question. The three resulting numbers are then added and divided by three. The index can range from +100 (everyone positive on all three measures) to -100 (all negative on all three measures).

The three questions used to calculate the index are:

National Economy: "Would you describe the state of the nation's economy these days as excellent, good, not so good, or poor?"

Personal Finances: "Would you describe the state of your own personal finances these days as excellent, good, not so good, or poor?"

Buying Climate: "Considering the cost of things today and your own personal finances, would you say now is an excellent time, a good time, a not so good time, or a poor time to buy the things you want and need?"

-- ABC News Polling Unit
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 29 Mar, 2004 08:10 am
Bush's economy.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 30 Mar, 2004 05:54 pm
The Onion wrote:
http://www.theonion.com/images/373/article2744.jpg

Above: President Bush urges America's jobless to get off their duffs.

"The economy has been on the rebound for months, but 5.6 percent of you are still out of work," Bush said. "Come on, people: Get a job! Don't just sit there hoping that you'll win the lottery. Turn off that boob tube, get off that couch, and start pounding the pavement."

When the number of people taking part-time jobs because they can't get full-time work is factored in, the unemployment figure approaches 15.1 million, a number Bush called "unacceptable."

"My fellow Americans, don't come crying to me," Bush said. "I've got a job. I go to work every day, whether I feel like it or not. I don't take handouts, and I don't give them. That's a belief my daddy taught me. Now, let's get this show on the road!"
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Scrat
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 12:21 pm
Never mind that the current 5.6% unemployment rate is lower than the 7.3% average of the '80s and the 5.8% average during the '90s. You remember the '90s don't you; those golden boom-economy years when Clinton was at the helm? Where, oh where were all the complaints about the unemployment rate back then?

Consistency is not the liberal's strong suit. :wink:
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2004 08:01 am
The Hoover Institution webbed a 30 minute video from January 2004 in which liberal economist Paul Krugman (Princeton, New York Times) and conservative economist Robert Barro (Harvard, Businessweek) debate the economic merits of the Bush II administration. I'm pretty confident that all of you in this thread will appreciate the grown-up tone of the discussion, no matter what your politics are.

Link here
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2004 09:03 am
I just watched it. Nothing new really but a good recap of the real economic issues at stake (cutting to constrain).

Interestingly there's no disagreement on what it's for and just disagreement on whether it's appropriate.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2004 10:20 pm
Thank you thomas. Krugman suggests that a consequence of Bush's policies will be the reduction of all the various social and care-taking programs (eg medicare, parks maintanance, etc) which we (most citizens) have come to expect the government will or ought to oversee.

As you likely know, there are a lot of conservative voices (Grover Norquist, et al) who believe that the government should not be engaged in such endeavors (or only in some bare minimum of them) but maintain heavy expenditure towards national defence.

Is it your understanding/opinion that the Bush administration is purposively seeking to starve government of funds so as to eliminate such programs?

If so, do you not see impetus for this notion of where government dollars ought to go arising from precisely those people who stand to gain...that is, the folks who are already very wealthy (what matter welfare or medicare to them?) and those folks who are within that complex of military, military industries, and government (the revolving door crowd)?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 02:26 am
blatham wrote:
Is it your understanding/opinion that the Bush administration is purposively seeking to starve government of funds so as to eliminate such programs?

To be honest, I have no idea what the Bush administration really wants. Bush has never vetoed a single tax cut or a single spending bill, so I just can't tell what his actual priorities are.

I agree with you about the revolving door crowd though. America's interventionist foreign policy is a choice, not a necessity, and so are the military costs of backing it up. You may or may not agree with that choice, but the fact remains that it has to give Americans their money's worth just like any other government initiative. I see no reason to treat military spending as something distinct from the rest of government spending, as something so holy it can't be cut in half just like the rest of the government -- except that pretending so is a convenient way of wrapping pork in the American flag before handing it out to defense contractors (Are Democrats any better in this regard? Maybe, but certainly not much.)
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 02:52 am
Re: not vetoeing spending.

IMO, he's setting the stage for future constraint. He's happy to let a future admin make the painful cuts and is setting the stage for their necessity.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 03:05 am
Craven de Kere wrote:
Re: not vetoeing spending.

IMO, he's setting the stage for future constraint. He's happy to let a future admin make the painful cuts and is setting the stage for their necessity.

It's possible, and it's how Paul Krugman and The Heritage Foundation are seing Bush. But I have no information to rule out the possibility that the budget mess might be just remarkably irresponsible and short-sighted populism. So I don't rule it out.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 09:43 am
What I see coming up with the next president is a tax increase. That's the only way they're going to be able to continue to spend on all the programs already approved by congress. And I agree with Thomas; both parties are guilty of increased spending.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 10:17 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
What I see coming up with the next president is a tax increase. That's the only way they're going to be able to continue to spend on all the programs already approved by congress.

I'm curious because I honestly don't know this from your statement, and I'm hoping you'll be willing to just give me an honest answer:

Is your belief behind the statement I've made bold above that the government should continue to spend on all programs already approved by Congress, or merely that they will (are likely to) continue to spend on all programs already approved by Congress?

If the latter, I agree that they will want to, but hope they can be persuaded to change course. If the former, I disagree.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 01:43 pm
Hey Scrat, how about this one?
Quote:

Arizona Daily Star
Published: 04.19.2004

Billion-dollar boondoggle

As pork barrel projects go, Rep. Don Young's two "bridges to nowhere" are in a class all their own. Young, a Republican from Alaska, managed to tuck into the recently passed national highway bill allocations totaling $2.2 billion to construct two useless bridges in his home state.

One of the bridges would be a mile long and rise 200 feet above the water. It would connect Ketchikan to an island that has about 50 residents. That bridge would cost an estimated $200 million and replace a 10-minute ferry ride. People around Ketchikan, population 7,800, think the ferry is perfectly reliable and know the bridge is not needed, though they acknowledge that constructing it will generate about 600 badly needed jobs.

The second of Young's boondoggle projects is even worse. It consists of a bridge that would extend two miles across an inlet, connecting Anchorage to a port that has only one regular tenant. The bridge will cost up to $2 billion.

These misuses of public funds are made possible by the power Young yields as chairman of the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. It approved the projects as part of the national highway bill.

Young, a former tugboat captain known for his brash and sometimes coarse language, makes no apologies for this abusive use of taxpayer dollars. On the contrary, he boasts about it. He says a politician has only so many opportunities to wield this kind of power.

He knows his party's rules limit him to three terms as committee chairman and also that the highway legislation comes up for renewal only about every six years. At a Republican luncheon, Young said of his pork barrel bridges, according to a New York Times report, "If you don't do it now, when are you going to do it? This is the time to take advantage of the position I'm in."

Young also said he would support higher federal taxes on gasoline to finance even more transportation projects than were included in the bill just passed.

Pork barrel projects, of course, are not new, but as the Times noted in an editorial on Friday, Young's raid on the treasury is for projects that have "such a grotesquely negative cost-benefit ratio that even the most cynical citizen snaps awake."

Taxpayers for Common Sense, a watchdog group in Washington, D.C., has given the Gravina Island Access Bridge, the Ketchikan project, a Golden Fleece Award, which recognizes specific examples of outrageous waste in government.

A spokesman for the group , Keith Ashdown, said "It's a gold-plated bridge to nowhere. At a time when we have bridges and roads crumbling around the United States, and traffic congestion worse than ever, why build a $200 million project that will serve only a few hundred people?"

It's a good question, and one that should be asked of every member of Congress who voted in favor of Young's arrogant amendments to the national highway bill.

Source
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Scrat
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 01:50 pm
Mesquite - Young sounds like the kind of politician without which our federal government would be much improved.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 02:46 pm
Scrat, I had hopes that whopping you on the head with that fish would get you to agreeing with me. :wink:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 02:49 pm
mesquite, Haven't you learned yet? Neoconservatives have difficulty admitting they are wrong.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 03:14 pm
Mesquite - Don't mind CI... he's so blinded by partisanship that he can't tell when people are agreeing with each other. :wink:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2004 10:47 pm
Well, we may begin to see some new jobs created. It seems March had 308,000 new jobs. We'll just have to hope these numbers are sustained for longer than one month. It'll be interesting to see if Greenspan says anything about hiking interest rates tomorrow. Heating up the economy too quickly can exacerbate inflation.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 20 Apr, 2004 01:42 am
So, come November with a million and half new jobs along with a big drop in unemployment, and rising interest rates and the looming spectre of ruinous inflation will be the Democrats' war chant.


<chuckle>
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