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Electricity Blackout

 
 
cavfancier
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 02:18 pm
Hi all. Guess who was catering an important coporate team building when the power went out? We found candles, and there were gas stovetops, so we reinvented the menu to make up for not having any appliances. We had some wine, and a bang up meal. Also got them out before it got too dark. The blackout actually made the event one of the best I have done...there were great compliements all around, and the President said to me at the end of the night: "Paul, this experience has taught us a lot about our business. Thank you for being able to think laterally." In my own way, I like to think I was one of heroes of that night Wink Needless to say, I am back online as of today.
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fealola
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 02:21 pm
Congratulations Cav! The right place at the right time and all that!
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 02:28 pm
Butrflynet
I was reflecting upon the present occupant of the White House as the catastrophe
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 05:12 pm
Naturally, Bush gets the blame from The Left, but the real blame is bipartisan, and involves regional parochialism in both Houses and both Parties. It may be assumed the Thursday Surprise will break the logjam which has kept energy reform bottled up the last couple years.
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Bush had made comprehensive energy legislation a key priority at the beginning of his administration. But attempts to pass a package of energy measures -- including tax incentives for oil and gas drilling, support for nuclear power and provisions for the electricity grid -- have been stymied by partisan divisions in Congress. emphasis by timber

Read the article
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 05:37 pm
That's why some of us were bound to question whether this was a surprise, or yet another extremely convenient event for the administration.

(I couldn't get the whole article, Timber. Some glitch with the format... You wind up with a screen which reads "bottom"!))
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 05:53 pm
Hmmm ... I notice now that you mention it the link is screwy ... dunno if that's my fault or not. Here, try the naked URL:

Code:http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/washpost/20030816/pl_washpost/a891_2003aug15


Uh Oh, that doesn't work either ... hang on ...

Wierd ... even the naked URL gives the redirect. Oh, well ... that'll get sorted out. Just copy-and-paste the URL above into your address bar for now ... that seems to work. There are some bugs yet to be discovered with A2K 2.0 ... which is to be expected.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 06:00 pm
It ought not to be forgotten that both parties, and the Shrub's team does this with a vengeance, put riders and amendments in bills to further an agenda which has nothing to do with the central topic of the legislation, or which actually works in a direction contrary to what the sponsors wish to portray, in order to preen themselves with the public. It makes for a hidden way of taking care of their political cronies and debts, and if worked carefully, allows them to cast their opponents as obstructionists, when that group is in fact trying to torpedo the hidden agenda, and not the face-value program offered.

Repubs and Dems both pull that crap, Timber, as you well knowl.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 06:03 pm
Hooray, cavfancier! you'll be in that company's good books for a long time! why aren't you running Toronto?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 06:32 pm
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Californians have found the solution to the deregulation disaster: recall the only governor in the nation with the cojones to stand up to the electricity price fixers. And unlike Arnold Schwarzenegger, Gov. Gray Davis stood alone against the bad guys without using a body double. Davis called Reliant Corp of Houston a pack of "pirates" --and now he'll walk the plank for daring to stand up to the Texas marauders.

So where's the President? Just before he landed on the deck of the Abe Lincoln, the White House was so concerned about our brave troops facing the foe that they used the cover of war for a new push in Congress for yet more electricity deregulation. This has a certain logic: there's no sense defeating Iraq if a hostile regime remains in California.

Sitting in the dark, as my laptop battery runs low, I don't know if the truth about deregulation will ever see the light --until we change the dim bulb in the White House.


Greg Palast
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 06:37 pm
ABC News says the massive blackout began in a power transmission line in suburban Cleveland. What should have been a local problem spread so far because the Ohio power company that owned the line failed to separate itself from the grid.

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The Ohio power company failed to separate from the national electric grid, as it was supposed to (and as Michigan did). Thus the cascade of problems was sent on to New York.

"The system is designed to isolate itself to protect that area, to have the area go down and have the rest of the system survive. And instead it spread further and longer than it should have," said Michehl R. Gent, president and CEO of the North American Electric Reliability Council.

A spokesman for the Ohio power company, FirstEnergy Corp., said it had followed all proper procedures but would not comment specifically on whether it had triggered the huge blackout by failing to separate.

"If they had separated you might have seen a region in Ohio area that would have been without power, but you would not have seen it in almost a national scale, as we did," Divan [Deepak Divan, CEO of Softswitching Technologies] said.

Where It All Began
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 06:37 pm
There is an aura of political revenge in the air.
Except, who will have the last laugh?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 06:42 pm
First Energy Corporation is the nation's 10th-largest investor-owned electric utility. It owns fossil and nuclear power plants and also produces and sells oil and gas.

The president of First Energy, Tony Alexander, is a Bush "Pioneer," meaning he raised more than $100,000 in individual contributions for the 2000 Bush presidential campaign. Alexander was also a major player in the Bush Energy Transition Team, according to the National Resources Defense Council.

Much of the $100,000 was "donated" by First Energy employees:

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When Republican presidential front-runner George W. Bush visited Akron (on Aug. 20, 1999) his campaign coffers swelled with the proceeds from a well-publicized $1,000-a-plate luncheon attended by more than 300 prominent GOP supporters.

But three weeks earlier, the same hotel hosted a private gathering of corporate executives also interested in financing the Texas governor's White House bid.

The earlier event at the Hilton Akron/Fairlawn wasn't billed as a fund-raiser. All the same, it poured tens of thousands into the Bush campaign -- vividly demonstrating how a major corporation can flex its political muscle despite laws aimed at curbing the power of big business to affect elections.

The occasion was the annual two-day conference of high-level managers of FirstEnergy Corp., the Akron-based utility giant that provides electricity for homes and businesses across northern Ohio and into western Pennsylvania.

Amid the usual business of business, about 170 executives, directors, supervisors, managers and spouses heard a hard sales pitch for donations for Bush.

There was nothing illegal about that. While corporations are barred by law from donating a dime to a presidential candidate, nothing stops them from asking their employees to give.

And give they did.

In the following days, 111 employees and spouses of FirstEnergy and corporate subsidiaries came through to the tune of $69,600 -- nearly 7 percent of all contributions made by Ohioans to Bush in the critical first six months of his campaign.


Akron Beacon-Journal, 10/10/99
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 06:50 pm
According to the Center for Responsive Politics, First Energy contributed $852,915 in the 2000 election cycle, 72 percent of which went to Republicans. The company gave $1,044,807 in the 2002 election cycle, 70 percent of which went to Republicans.

Was Alexander or another First Energy executive on Dick Cheney's infamous Energy Task Force? Since the Vice President refuses to release the names of the task force members, even after subpoenaed by Congress, who knows?

Just a week before the blackout began, First Energy was found guilty of violating the Clean Air Act:

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U.S. Judge Edmund Sargus in Columbus, Ohio ruled in favor of a lawsuit filed by the Clinton administration that accused FirstEnergy's Ohio Edison Co. of violating the Clean Air Act by classifying the projects as maintenance instead of new construction.

Sargus said he would hold a trial in March to determine the civil penalties that FirstEnergy must pay.

U.S. utilities have been fighting the Environmental Protection Agency for years over what constitutes routine maintenance to power plants built before 1970. Congress assumed that most of the aging plants would be gradually replaced with new ones and exempted pre-1970 plants from stricter pollution controls, unless they launch a major renovation or expansion.

The Bush administration has been criticized by green groups for failing to aggressively prosecute pollution violations by utilities under the so-called "new source review" law.


Reuters, by way of Forbes.com

Sooooooo, let's review:

A power company facing a Clinton Administration lawsuit gives big bucks to the Republicans and ends up playing a role in the new administration's transition team. And--possibly--this company helped write government policy on energy, although we can't know that for sure because the Vice President is protecting the names of GOP donors on his task force.

In other words, business as usual for the Bush Cabal.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 07:01 pm
Doesn't much matter who's involved with this administration's energy policy ... its mired in House and Senate wrangling and has not been implemented. Sorry, folks ... I just don't see this as anyone other than The Legislature's fault. And its been goin' on since 1965

http://www.freep.com/news/metro/dicker16_20030816.htm

http://www.dailyfreeman.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1769&dept_id=74958&newsid=10017581&PAG=461&rfi=9

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/08/15/power_failure_bears_similarities_to_1965_blackout

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_news.jsp?ymd=20030815&content_id=483703&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

What ya got here is pure and simple pork, protectionism, and patronage ... bipartisanly.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 07:26 pm
Timber's not really wrong. There's enough blame to go around:

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It was five years ago that a federal task force of prominent experts warned the Department of Energy that the reliability of the electrical system was based on a mishmash of voluntary standards, and that Washington needed to impose mandatory rules on the electric industry.

"Failure to act," the task force wrote, "will leave substantial parts of North America at unacceptable risk." Its report was written at the Energy Department's request by prominent engineers and policy makers.

As recently as last month, however, the Energy Department was saying exactly the same thing. While electricity demand has shot up by 25 percent since 1990, construction of transmission systems has declined by 30 percent, the department said.

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Standards for a more reliable system were not opposed by the industry, and were included in an energy bill that came before Congress in 2001. The bill never passed because of disputes over matters like drilling in the Alaskan wilderness and efficiency standards for cars. Such disputes are holding up a similar bill that is pending in Congress.


Warnings Were Ignored...NYT.com

But hey....don't the Republicans control both sides of the legislature?

This is an issue of governance. And leadership.

The blackout caught Bush by surprise the same way September 11 did; he had plenty of warning, yet he took no action. He went on vacation. Except to raise funds for his re-election.

"I view it as a wake-up call," Bush said.

The man is a marvel at hitting the snooze button.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 07:26 pm
so i can be furious with everyone? Evil or Very Mad

good, because i'm pretty much in the mood to kick any politician who's been in power in the last 4 decades in the butt
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 07:42 pm
Perc, nobody "Controls" either chamber. The Republicans have a bare majority, but the Dems are quite capable of blocking, redirecting, tabling, adding-on-to, and in general obstructioneeering any Repub agenda. Its the way political business is done nowdays ... "If we can't get it our way, we won't let them get it their way ... the people be damned ... we gotta look out for The Party (whichever one)". I am fed up with the posturing, bickering and game playing on both sides ... the losers are US, dammit.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 07:51 pm
of course, everyone i spoke to wants UNINTERRUPTED power supply - so do i; but i don't think we have much of an idea of the real cost of providing such service. if we had to pay the power cost consumers in europe have to pay, there would be a bloody revolution here! walter might have some comments on the cost of power in germany - by the way the same goes for the cost of water in north-america. anyone ever wonder why few people in europe have air-conditioning or why most of the powersaving appliances we can buy in canada come from europe (power and water saving washing machines by BOSCH of germany come to mind; we can buy them right here in kingston, BUT they are a lot more expensive than the nort-american built ones). hbg
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 07:55 pm
In the meantime, wherever things are this complicated, there is human error lurking, if not in this case, just around the corner in many. For example, I think that when the Arno River flooded Florence in 1966, it was a failure of someone upstream to call to warn someone, or someone not to notice a call, to close the gates. No, I don't have a link, just remember reading that somewhere. Great trouble can happen at weak points with simple error, especially with a beleagured system.

I say this not to disagree that the structural system needs upgrade, and has for quite a while.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 08:00 pm
good to see you here, hamburger. has the power stayed on there?

we've had a few more rotating black-outs. i try to be off-line just as it turns a full hour - as they seem to have us on an electricity diet right now.
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