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New roll-out (propaganda campaign) for war with Iran?

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 06:31 am
Ghandi eh?

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Gandhi was criticized by some Congress party members and other Indian political groups, both pro-British and anti-British. Some felt that opposing Britain in its life or death struggle was immoral, and others felt that Gandhi wasn't doing enough. Quit India became the most forceful movement in the history of the struggle, with mass arrests and violence on an unprecedented scale.[13] Thousands of freedom fighters were killed or injured by police gunfire, and hundreds of thousands were arrested. Gandhi and his supporters made it clear they would not support the war effort unless India were granted immediate independence.


So he helped Hitler, he caused "violence on an unprecedented scale" and the above means he would have supported the war had he got what he wanted.

He used "non-violence" as a "weapon".
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 07:01 am
The Dalai Lama eh?

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The current Dalai Lama has repeatedly stated that he will never be reborn inside territory controlled by the People's Republic of China[4], and has occasionally suggested that he might choose to be the last Dalai Lama by not being reborn at all. However, he has also stated that the purpose of his repeated incarnations is to continue unfinished work and, as such, if the situation in Tibet remains unchanged, it is very likely that he will be reborn to finish his work.[5] Additionally, in the draft constitution of future Tibet, the institution of the Dalai Lama can be revoked at any time by a democratic majority vote of two-thirds of the Assembly. The 14th Dalai Lama has stated, "Personally, I feel the institution of the Dalai Lama has served its purpose."


So he's nuts for a start and is now defunct and living in splendourous idleness possibly in Paris.

I read once that when he does No Twos they take it out in the highways and byways for his subjects to have a sacramental sniff at. Or did before they threw him out.

Anyway- those guys do nothing to confound my argument that we fight as humanely as possible which we didn't do in 1939-45 and especially not in 1945 and during the clearing of aboriginals.

All animals that have the capacity to use violence do so and plants are designed to monopolise the sunlight and do their best to starve other plants of it.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 07:32 am
spendi, Do you ever wonder why those three men were considered the paragons of peace and human rights, and that your criticisms of all three are only incidental to what they accomplished in each country?

I understand now clearly why you are always the brunt of jokes and challenges on a2k. Your standard of reality differs from the mainstream of all societies. It seems that your only place of "approval" you enjoy is at the local pub.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 07:32 am
Recent article in Sunday Times by Rod Liddle-

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Nelson's got his statue, now for Fidel and Gadaffi

I boycotted last week's unveiling of the Nelson Mandela statue in Trafalgar Square because, inexplicably, there was no room on the plinth for Nelson's lovely ex-wife Winnie, carrying one of her famous burning necklaces.

So often, in history, the role of the supportive wife has been overlooked. That, as the feminists will tell you, is why it's called HIStory.

There was no room, either, for those black race traitors whom Nelson's organisation Spear of the Nation, which he once led, subjected to "torture and staggering brutality" in Angolan concentration camps. They could have been depicted looking contrite and repentant under Nelson's beatific smile.

I had hoped, too, that there might be room for two of Nelson's close friends, those implacable democrats Colonel Gadaffi and Fidel Castro: but no.

Perhaps the problem is that Trafalgar Square isn't big enough to contain all of our modern, progressive, political heroes. We should open a theme park, like they have in the former Soviet Union and old East Germany.

There people could wander around and gaze in awe upon the likes of Nels and Winnie, Muammar and Fidel, Abu Nidal, the pizza-faced despot General Manuel Noriega of Panama, Hugo Chavez holding out buckets of free oil to a fawning Ken Livingstone, and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, stoically resisting Yankee aggression, his finger poised coquettishly over a red button.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:09 am
Let me add my voice to the chorus. I cannot believe that our president, the miserable excuse for a human being, would be so rash, after seeing the catastrophe he promulgated in Iraq, attack Iran. However, considering who it is. Who knows what goes on in his child like, so called' mind. Confused
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:11 am
c.i. wrote-

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Your standard of reality differs from the mainstream of all societies.


Yeah- I know. It's the same with the Sunday Times. Both myself and them are way out of step. It's because both of us are working with well known facts which are obviously unreal to you.

I couldn't find what Mr Churchill said about Ghandi but it wasn't very nice.

Further to that your statement is just another ignorant self-serving assertion and I really do hope it makes you feel better.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:13 am
And your's is never self-serving. LOL
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:15 am
I suppose that referring to the President of the most powerful nation on earth and the leader of Western society as a "miserable excuse for a human being" is closer to reality then.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:25 am
c.i. wrote-

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And your's is never self-serving.


Absolutely. I have no axe to grind. Apart from being sick of carping ax-grinders who offer Nelson Mandela as some paragon of virtue and when faced with a few facts about the guy can only blurt crap such as the above.

Why would I say anything self-serving. I have no idea what is in my interests at these levels of activity. I'm not the Government. I'm content enough not to want it destabilised and that's for sure and especially not by ignorant egomaniacs who haven't the faintest idea what to put in its place if they succeeded in undermining it.


One would think that anybody engaged with reality would have someone who is a "miserable excuse for a human being" certified and led away by the men in white coats.

What a load of silly ninnies you lot are.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:30 am
spendius wrote:
I suppose that referring to the President of the most powerful nation on earth and the leader of Western society as a "miserable excuse for a human being" is closer to reality then.


Yes. and that is what makes him so dangerous. As for him being a leader. Who is following. Not the rest of the world or even for that matter the citizens of the US. At this point he couldn't get elected to dog catcher.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:31 am
spendius wrote:
I'm content enough not to want it destabilised and that's for sure and especially not by ignorant egomaniacs who haven't the faintest idea what to put in its place if they succeeded in undermining it.


I imagine there were a lot of people in Iraq who felt this way. And now, probably also in Iran.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:36 am
au1929 wrote:
spendius wrote:
I suppose that referring to the President of the most powerful nation on earth and the leader of Western society as a "miserable excuse for a human being" is closer to reality then.


Yes. and that is what makes him so dangerous. As for him being a leader. Who is following. Not the rest of the world or even for that matter the citizens of the US. At this point he couldn't get elected to dog catcher.


Even Bush admitted no one listens to him anymore, that's why we here the name 'Petraeus' more than Bush when concerning Iraq.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:44 am
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Even Bush admitted no one listens to him anymore,


If that is true then the policy can't be his fault and must be an institutional problem.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:44 am
This may be slightly off target. However, there has been so much said about the candidates for president to admit they made a mistake voting for "Bush's war. I wonder when and if Bush will admit he made a mistake and apologizing for dragging the nation into this fiasco in Iraq.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:47 am
That argument is posited entirely on au's definition of "fiasco" and is thus, as ever, tautological which is to say meaningless.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:51 am
spendius wrote:
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Even Bush admitted no one listens to him anymore,


If that is true then the policy can't be his fault and must be an institutional problem.


The problem is and apparently you can't see it. From his seat of power he can execute his beliefs not matter how outrages they are. He is Americas Ayatola
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:54 am
folks

In a discussion such as this one, my personal recommendation is that you simply don't bother playing with spendi.

Sorry spendi, I loves ya but you are pretty much just making a lot of noise here. It is definitely not that you want others to shut up because your fun apparently derives almost solely from telling people how foolish or prideful they are to be talking at all. What you are doing is rather more like farting loudly in church rather than anything socratic. And your consistent suggestion that you, and anyone else, have no proper stance in life and social affairs other than pervasive apathy suits a teenage female or an old besotted Englishman who has concluded that all his country has bequeathed to the world is rum, the lash and sodomy.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:55 am
spendius wrote:
That argument is posited entirely on au's definition of "fiasco" and is thus, as ever, tautological which is to say meaningless.


Fiasco and our involvement in Iraq are synonymous.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 08:59 am
Mathew Arnold would have said about Bernie's latest list of assertions- "Oh- how very provincial". He would have found a subtle way of exposing its other chief characteristic.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Sep, 2007 09:04 am
BTW Bernie-

Is it "farting loudly in church " to answer a claim that Nelson Mandela is a paragon of Christian virtue in the way I did and to quote the Sunday Times agreeing with me. I consider the original claim to be "farting loudly in church".

You could look like you are equating "farting loudly in church" with any view you don't approve of which is a bit dictatorial to say the least but understandable from an atheistic point of view. After all, atheism does open the door to one being one's own god however tin-pot.
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