New roll-out (propaganda campaign) for war with Iran?

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I sometimes wonder what you would do if Mr Bush told you to shove the White House up your arse and went back to his ranch to goof off. It is hardly imaginable that the thought has never crossed his mind.

My goodness. You cannot be serious.

One assumes, first of all, that thoughts do cross the fellow's mind. It wouldn't be a long traverse, after all.

Secondly, most americans and almost everyone else in the world would throw out a rousing cheer if the fellow did precisely what you suggest in the first sentence.

You seem an independent-minded fellow, spendi. Yet a consistent theme runs through your statements here. You are a toadie to power, to authority. One would expect an independent mind to make discernments, to enjoy making discernments. But you look much happier when you are just kissing those rear ends of the folks who like you kissing their rear ends (and then spreading the word at how good the taste is).

I don't know anywhere near enough to make any snap judgements

we have no choice other than to go along with the judgements which emerge from the massive bureaucratic pyramid

by some of your best and brightest who study, year in and year out, a flow of information of such proportions as to beggar belief.

george

This is now the third time I' ve had to ask you to answer that simple little question back there.

What you fail to appreciate Bernie is that we are all, by deep inward necessity "toadying" to the imperatives of our Christian (Faustian) Culture. It is the dynamic extension into space. The will in opposition to space and determined to overcome it. The lonesome ego likewise. And to perform this extension as efficiently as maybe.

It began in Northern Europe around 1,000 AD. The Gothic cathedrals reach for the stars. The Greek Parthenon only needs a head on the front to look a bit like an animal taking a dump. It squats on the landscape. The onion domes of the Kremlin are a compromise as you might expect with two cultural influences at work. They squat on the tower. The attempt to return to Classical ideals, the here and now with no autobiography and a mask for a persona, in the Renaissance was a mere affectation from the south and didn't take in the greatest of the artists. Perspective painting, the depiction of space, would be incomprehensible to the Greek mind. As would Shakespearean tragedy with its action springing from inside the characters rather than being visited upon them by outside agancies and, as such, could happen to anyone.

Our egos thrust. We seek to conquer. That's why we love to see the prow of a big ship parting the waves and lift-offs from the cape. It's in our blood. A creation of the Roman Catholic Church. Even Freud had a wrestle with it.

Only those who are oblivious to such considerations are "toadying" to those authorities flat out. And what I said there was a ridiculously oversimplified scratch at the surface.

You are acute to detect a note of apathy. It is not due to defeat, as most apathy is, an impression I presume you hoped to give, but due to a sense that our cultural style is not timeless and thus not truly human.

The real Spendius was a man of some action but he was fundamentally apathetic. His actions served only the pleasure /pain principle. Had he found a speedboat he would have been off like a shot.

Like stopping an aircraft carrier stopping the forces in motion in the service of the national interest as expressed, and rightly so, by its duly elected hierarchy, is a daunting task for any one individual. So much so that without ones hands on the levers it is tantamount to banging one's head against a wall.

So I think you are a frustrated thruster. You extend into space and there is little or no effect. I extend into space, like George said, for fun for myself and, with luck, for some like minded souls, and the best fun is taking the piss out of thrusters when they are the armchair variety.

It's pub time. Apathy City. Obsessions are a form of apathy.

blatham wrote:

george

This is now the third time I' ve had to ask you to answer that simple little question back there.

OK. No Bernie, I can't categorically prove that the Bush Administration will not launch an attack on Iran. However, neither can I assert than a subsequent Administration headed by Hillary Clinton or even Denis Kucinich won't do it either.

I think the latter observation is perhaps critical. Kucinich may well be a reincarnated Hitler in the form of a weasel.

Kucinich may well be a reincarnated Hitler in the form of a weasel.

It is clearly not the case that any upcoming Democratic administration will be as likely as this present one to wage wars of such magnitude and consequence.

one of President Bush's senior women officials.