New roll-out (propaganda campaign) for war with Iran?

Sounds like the Bushco regime is setting up the scene for war against Iran.



US accuses Iran over Iraq attacks

Ambassador Crocker and Gen Petraeus have testified to Congress
Senior US officials have singled out Iran for criticism, a day after giving a progress report on security in Iraq.
Gen David Petraeus, top US commander in Iraq, and US envoy to Baghdad Ryan Crocker both cited evidence of Iranian involvement in attacks on US troops.

Responding to their report, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said it made clear Iraq's security had improved, but Iran was a "troublesome neighbour".

US President George W Bush is due to address the nation on Thursday evening.

Does any president have the authority to start any war without congress' approval? Who will believe Bush on the Iran threat to America? How about the UN?

cicerone imposter wrote:

Does any president have the authority to start any war without congress' approval? Who will believe Bush on the Iran threat to America? How about the UN?

No. But what is to stop him from starting one by ordering an air strike on the Iranian capital. Or in the case of that devious SOB now in the white house from staging a terror attack and blaming it on the Iranians. When it comes to deceit and deception I would put nothing past him. After all he gets direction directly from God.

cicerone imposter wrote:

Does any president have the authority to start any war without congress' approval? Who will believe Bush on the Iran threat to America? How about the UN?

No. But what is to stop him from starting one by ordering an air strike on the Iranian capital. Or in the case of that devious SOB now in the white house from staging a terror attack and blaming it on the Iranians. When it comes to deceit and deception I would put nothing past him. After all he gets direction directly from God.

au1929 wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

Does any president have the authority to start any war without congress' approval? Who will believe Bush on the Iran threat to America? How about the UN?

No. But what is to stop him from starting one by ordering an air strike on the Iranian capital. Or in the case of that devious SOB now in the white house from staging a terror attack and blaming it on the Iranians. When it comes to deceit and deception I would put nothing past him. After all he gets direction directly from God.

That's what I was afraid of; and I'm further distressed at the idea that congress and the American People will support his actions.

Does any president have the authority to start any war without congress' approval? Who will believe Bush on the Iran threat to America? How about the UN?

Dot say Bush,because Congress voted and gave him the authority to use whatever measures HE DEEMED NECCESSARY.

mysteryman wrote:

Dot say Bush,because Congress voted and gave him the authority to use whatever measures HE DEEMED NECCESSARY.

You mean kind of like an Enabling Act? Where the president could give orders to bomb, invade or occupy a country without having to have Congress declare war?

Sounds dangerous to me.

mysteryman wrote:

Dot say Bush,because Congress voted and gave him the authority to use whatever measures HE DEEMED NECCESSARY.

You mean kind of like an Enabling Act? Where the president could give orders to bomb, invade or occupy a country without having to have Congress declare war?

Sounds dangerous to me.

old europe wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

Dot say Bush,because Congress voted and gave him the authority to use whatever measures HE DEEMED NECCESSARY.

You mean kind of like an Enabling Act? Where the president could give orders to bomb, invade or occupy a country without having to have Congress declare war?

Sounds dangerous to me.

Congress has not declared war on anyone since 12/08/1941

Did you object when the last dem president went to war in Bosnia?
Where was the congressional declaration of war?

Your bias is showing.

old europe wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

Dot say Bush,because Congress voted and gave him the authority to use whatever measures HE DEEMED NECCESSARY.

You mean kind of like an Enabling Act? Where the president could give orders to bomb, invade or occupy a country without having to have Congress declare war?

Sounds dangerous to me.

Show us the legistlation that says "whatever measures HE DEEMED NECESSARY?" I believe there were two conditions that Bush had to meet to start his war, and he failed both.

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq.

Quote:

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq.

(1) there was no continuing threat posed by Iraq. Certainly not to the United States.

(2) there was no United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq permitting the use of military means to be enforced.

Actually,there was.
This is from my second link...
[quote]Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990)
authorizes the use of all necessary means to enforce United
Nations Security Council Resolution 660 (1990) and subsequent
relevant resolutions and to compel Iraq to cease certain activities
that threaten international peace and security, including the
development of weapons of mass destruction and refusal or
obstruction of United Nations weapons inspections in violation
of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 (1991), repression
of its civilian population in violation of United Nations
Security Council Resolution 688 (1991), and threatening its neighbors
or United Nations operations in Iraq in violation of United
Nations Security Council Resolution 949 (1994);

SEC. 1. SHORT TITLE.

This joint resolution may be cited as the "Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq".

SEC. 2. SUPPORT FOR UNITED STATES DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS

The Congress of the United States supports the efforts by the President to--

(a) strictly enforce through the United Nations Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions applicable to Iraq and encourages him in those efforts; and

(b) obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions.

Bush did not get the approval from the Security Council. As a matter of fact, Bush called the UN "insignificant" or some such.


SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to


(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and

As general Petraeus has recently told congress, he doesn't know that our war in Iraq provides security to the US. Additionally, it's been common knowledge that Saddam never had the means or equipment to attack the US. We secured the 'no-fly' zone in Iraq.


(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq.

The UN inspectors were in Iraq to confirm whether Saddam had WMDs - and we now know he didn't.

According to the UN, Bush started an illegal war with Iraq.

Notice this part...Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990)
authorizes the use of all necessary means to enforce United
Nations Security Council Resolution 660 (1990) and subsequent
relevant resolutions

So,the President did have the authority to use the military, because he deemed it to be neccessary according to the UN resolutions.[/color]