Is It Wise to TRUST Our Friends ?

OmSigDAVID wrote:

dagmaraka wrote:

Geeze, I'm sorry. That sounds sad.

My parents are the most wonderful people in this world
and my sister is my best friend.
I cannot imagine what it would feel like if it were otherwise.

I had a superb rapport and mental harmony with my mother,
whom I have always considered the very best mother
whom I have ever observed.

My mother earned my respect for her intellect and sound judgment.
She was my BEST advisor.

What I mentioned was a brief interruption
in that rapport.

so you do trust her then. you trust her advise, you rely on her, you love her. That's trust.

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Let me be clear on one point:
I have never suggested that people shud not BEAR GOOD WILL
to their friends, nor have I suggested that we shud not enjoy their social company.
David

Odd reply. I was simply answering your question.

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And trusting friends brings friends closer together.

Cars and boats and planes can bring friends closer together;
trusting has nothing to do with it.

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Actually, would anyone call a person they didn't trust a 'friend'?

Yes.

I do that a lot, having good friends, trusting no one,
in that I am fully aware that human behavior is unpredictable.

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I would think that's what associates are.

Yes.
Associates r people with whom u associate.
U don 't necessarily LIKE them, nor respect them.

dagmaraka wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

dagmaraka wrote:

Geeze, I'm sorry. That sounds sad.

My parents are the most wonderful people in this world
and my sister is my best friend.
I cannot imagine what it would feel like if it were otherwise.

I had a superb rapport and mental harmony with my mother,
whom I have always considered the very best mother
whom I have ever observed.

My mother earned my respect for her intellect and sound judgment.
She was my BEST advisor.

What I mentioned was a brief interruption
in that rapport.

so you do trust her then. you trust her advise, you rely on her, you love her. That's trust.

With all respect,
I must challenge your semantics and nomenclature.

I always knew that human behavior is unpredictable.
I certainly love her, knowing that all human behavior is unpredictable.
There WERE occasions upon which I trusted her,
e.g., at the beach committing my property into her possession,
while bathing. I was confident that she wud not steal it.
( I knew OTHER people whose parents robbed them.
Sometimes, I saw them DO it. )

As to trusting her advice,
I knew from observation and experience
that her advice was very VALUABLE,
but no one is right all the time.
It is not so much that I trusted her advice
as that I thought that chances were pretty good
that her suggested strategy was a usually a good idea.

When I lost my mother 's advice,
I lost a VERY GOOD sounding board, in the decision making process.
Too ofen, I regretted not having accepted my mother 's advice,
relying on my own reasoning.

That is not trust.
That is analysis of the probabilities.

Trust is confidence that something will or will not happen.
David

trust
n.
1. Firm reliance on the integrity, ability, or character of a person or thing.
2. Custody; care.
3. Something committed into the care of another; charge.
4.
a. The condition and resulting obligation of having confidence placed in one: violated a public trust.
b. One in which confidence is placed.
5. Reliance on something in the future; hope.
6. Reliance on the intention and ability of a purchaser to pay in the future; credit.
7. Law
a. A legal title to property held by one party for the benefit of another.
b. The confidence reposed in a trustee when giving the trustee legal title to property to administer for another, together with the trustee's obligation regarding that property and the beneficiary.
c. The property so held.
8. A combination of firms or corporations for the purpose of reducing competition and controlling prices throughout a business or an industry.
v. trust·ed, trust·ing, trusts
v.intr.
1. To have or place reliance; depend: Trust in the Lord. Trust to destiny.
2. To be confident; hope.
3. To sell on credit.
v.tr.
1. To have or place confidence in; depend on.
2. To expect with assurance; assume: I trust that you will be on time.
3. To believe: I trust what you say.
4. To place in the care of another; entrust.
5. To grant discretion to confidently: Can I trust them with the boat?
6. To extend credit to.
Idiom:
in trust
In the possession or care of a trustee.

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Patriotism is patriotism, not the same kind of love that two people share.

And as for loving the ladies - that's one thing. You're saying you enjoyed their company.





Did you really truly love one woman?

Yes; for 22 years.

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can you do that without trust?

I can now, I cud then, and I DID,
fully knowing that the behavior of NO human being is predictable,
and is therefore not trustworthy, but CAN BE lovable.

Love is bearing good will, to a hi degree of intensity.

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because that i cannot imagine.
And do not want to have to imagine.
that love is not possible without trust in my mind.

Maybe u define it some different way.

I have defined love as being good will, to a hi degree of intensity.

Do u agree ?
or do u reject that ?

David

Maybe u define it some different way.

I have defined love as being good will, to a hi degree of intensity.

Do u agree ?
or do u reject that ?

so far in my life every single person I have ever loved or trusted has eventually betrayed that love and trust.

I will not give up on love or trust though. I don't know why.
I never considered myself stupid. Perhaps I should re think.

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Maybe u define it some different way.

I have defined love as being good will, to a hi degree of intensity.

Do u agree ?
or do u reject that ?

it is not ME who defines things. definitions are terms agreed upon in common use. you'll find them in dictionaries and encyclopedias. If you start defining things on your own, as you have in this thread, you are bound to not be able to communicate well with people. because people operate with the commonly accepted definitions in their mind. Not those that YOU invent.

of course not. why should i have meant your definition? i don't read minds.

i go by standard definitions.

trust america.... hahahahahahaha, who would be such a fool!
I guess you can 'love' a country, although it's a bloody cliche.
Patriotism is patriotism, not the same kind of love that two people share.

And as for loving the ladies - that's one thing. You're saying you enjoyed their company.
Did you really truly love one woman? can you do that without trust?
because that i cannot imagine.
And do not want to have to imagine.
that love is not possible without trust in my mind.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

dagmaraka wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

dagmaraka wrote:

Geeze, I'm sorry. That sounds sad.

My parents are the most wonderful people in this world
and my sister is my best friend.
I cannot imagine what it would feel like if it were otherwise.

I had a superb rapport and mental harmony with my mother,
whom I have always considered the very best mother
whom I have ever observed.

My mother earned my respect for her intellect and sound judgment.
She was my BEST advisor.

What I mentioned was a brief interruption
in that rapport.

so you do trust her then. you trust her advise, you rely on her, you love her. That's trust.

With all respect,
I must challenge your semantics and nomenclature.

I always knew that human behavior is unpredictable.
I certainly love her, knowing that all human behavior is unpredictable.
There WERE occasions upon which I trusted her,
e.g., at the beach committing my property into her possession,
while bathing. I was confident that she wud not steal it.
( I knew OTHER people whose parents robbed them.
Sometimes, I saw them DO it. )

As to trusting her advice,
I knew from observation and experience
that her advice was very VALUABLE,
but no one is right all the time.
It is not so much that I trusted her advice
as that I thought that chances were pretty good
that her suggested strategy was a usually a good idea.

When I lost my mother 's advice,
I lost a VERY GOOD sounding board, in the decision making process.
Too ofen, I regretted not having accepted my mother 's advice,
relying on my own reasoning.

That is not trust.
That is analysis of the probabilities.

Trust is confidence that something will or will not happen.
David

with all respect to YOU, sir, challenge your knowlege of semantics first. (btw, as for "my nomenclature" - I don't have one. I use the existing terminology. That's, like I said multiple times before, what consensus and norms, like definitions, are for. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to communicate.)

I am not the one who is making up definitions and then want to discuss them with others. What you describe perfectly fits the common definitions of trust. The fact that nobody is right all the time does not mean we cease to trust them. Trust does include evaluation and analysis. What you describe you feel towards your mother does indeed fit with the definition of trust. You may not like it, but that's an entirely separate matter. I suggest researching words before you throw them around.

Note: these are alternative meanings of the word trust. Not all of them at the same time. Read the post about your mother and compare:

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trust
n.
1. Firm reliance on the integrity, ability, or character of a person or thing.
2. Custody; care.
3. Something committed into the care of another; charge.
4.
a. The condition and resulting obligation of having confidence placed in one: violated a public trust.
b. One in which confidence is placed.
5. Reliance on something in the future; hope.
6. Reliance on the intention and ability of a purchaser to pay in the future; credit.
7. Law
a. A legal title to property held by one party for the benefit of another.
b. The confidence reposed in a trustee when giving the trustee legal title to property to administer for another, together with the trustee's obligation regarding that property and the beneficiary.
c. The property so held.
8. A combination of firms or corporations for the purpose of reducing competition and controlling prices throughout a business or an industry.
v. trust·ed, trust·ing, trusts
v.intr.
1. To have or place reliance; depend: Trust in the Lord. Trust to destiny.
2. To be confident; hope.
3. To sell on credit.
v.tr.
1. To have or place confidence in; depend on.
2. To expect with assurance; assume: I trust that you will be on time.
3. To believe: I trust what you say.
4. To place in the care of another; entrust.
5. To grant discretion to confidently: Can I trust them with the boat?
6. To extend credit to.
Idiom:
in trust
In the possession or care of a trustee.