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Is It Wise to TRUST Our Friends ?

 
 
vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 02:50 pm
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I have a number of friends that I trust implicitly.
The question of whether it is wise to do so or not has never needed to cross my mind.
"IF" they were to betray that trust, the friendship would probably never be the same,
but I would not regret that I had given them my trust.

Do u think that Martha Stewart regrets being candid
with the friends who testified against her
before she was convicted of a federal crime ?

What r the chances that she was considering
the the wisdom of trusting them, during her vacation in federal prison ?


David, your original question was whether we believe it's wise to trust our friends. Since this is the original question, Martha Stewart (and her circumstances) has nothing to do with whether or not it is wise for me to trust my friends or not.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 02:57 pm
Miller wrote:
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Shud everyone ASSUME that no one is trustworthy


To thine ownself be true. Believe in yourself...trust yourself.
All others should be treated as "untrustworthy"... Cool


even your mother? your father or sister? how about your best friend? where do you draw the line?

ultimately, it's a choice. I choose to trust most people.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 03:03 pm
I don't think it's productive to get bogged down in one's semantics, but personally I believe that "belief" is an abstract concept, since whatever I believe in is only true, based on my belief(s). Since I believe this, this reply is an abstract concept that is only true for me; it may not be true for anyone else.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 03:12 pm
Having friends that I trust has been the biggest blessing in my life. We can see how people with no real friends they can trust are very lonely and desperate. We fell very sad for them. I tried to show some rich person true friendship but I would always catch him guarding himself and mistrustful to the point that I couldn't trust him. It felt ugly so I said f%#k this.

Me and my friends rented a crappy boat we BBQed and fished. We all piched in and had a time that was priceless but without trust it sucks. Don't ask me how. Trust is the door to human contact were happiness takes place. I've been with rich people. There not having fun on the yacht. There is to much bull$hit going on.

Good company, true human contact which contains trust is priceless. It makes gold look like trash.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 03:27 pm
Amigo wrote:
Having friends that I trust has been the biggest blessing in my life. We can see how people with no real friends they can trust are very lonely and desperate. We fell very sad for them.


Not everyone can enjoy the richness of friendship, just like some people can't eat too rich food.
Don't believe me; you can look it up - most extroverts can't understand how introverts cannot enjoy a lively party. But, many introverts do understand what drives the extrovert, even though a quiet night at home is what the introvert enjoys best.

We're really not all the same.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 03:34 pm
vikorr wrote:
Quote:
Quote:

I have a number of friends that I trust implicitly.
The question of whether it is wise to do so or not has never needed to cross my mind.
"IF" they were to betray that trust, the friendship would probably never be the same,
but I would not regret that I had given them my trust.

Do u think that Martha Stewart regrets being candid
with the friends who testified against her
before she was convicted of a federal crime ?

What r the chances that she was considering
the the wisdom of trusting them, during her vacation in federal prison ?


David, your original question was whether we believe it's wise to trust our friends. Since this is the original question, Martha Stewart (and her circumstances) has nothing to do with whether or not it is wise for me to trust my friends or not.

That is a little like saying:
" just because Paris HILTON got thrown in the clink for drunken
driving, that has nothing to do with whether I shud drive drunk or not. "



This thread addresses the wisdom
of trusting your friends
with information that can be dangerous to u.
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vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 03:42 pm
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This thread addresses the wisdom
of trusting your friends with information that can be dangerous to u.

Below is the first line of your original post. Nothing in the rest of the first post contradicts it.
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Is It Wise to TRUST Our Friends ?


However, I'm glad you have narrowed your question to what is important to you. Unfortunately, the new question is a question that has little to no meaning to me...that could always change in the future, but that is unlikely, and is not the present. I'm quite happy to trust my friends. It is one of the things that has brought me long term happiness and contentment, and I think there is wisdom in that Smile
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 04:04 pm
dagmaraka wrote:
Miller wrote:
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Shud everyone ASSUME that no one is trustworthy


To thine ownself be true. Believe in yourself...trust yourself.
All others should be treated as "untrustworthy"... Cool





dagmaraka wrote :
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even your mother?

About 40 years ago,
my mother briefly got a little ticked off at me,
and manipulated a situation such that it almost cost me about $500,000.
I had to move fast to re-establish control over that situation.
It got a little scary there, for 2 or 3 days.

I need not bring up Andrea Yates,
and how she dragged her ( unarmed ) 7 year old boy to the fatal bathtub.
My friends and I were in St. Paul, Minn. for the Mensa Annual Gathering,
on our way to the dinner boat ride on the Mississippi River,
when a mother threw her children in the river; ( big delay that nite ); no survivors.



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your father

I 'd treat him with some degree of affection,
but like anyone else, always being careful, and planning defensively.




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how about your best friend?

I have had several best friends over the decades,
and over the centuries, whom I have held, and whom I hold,
in hi esteem and affection. However much I have enjoyed their social company,
I am aware that occassional treachery is inherent in human DNA.

I suspect that one of my best friends, whom I accepted as a tenant,
stole a gold ring with diamonds and a ruby from me, in the 1980s;
I suspected it then, but his contributions in terms of advice
and good fellowship were worth it. I respected him anyway; still do.
I did not care very much about it.
I continued our friendship, with the suspicion,
long after he left, with occasional letters n fone calls.
He was intelligent, indigent, clever, and a good conversationalist.



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where do you draw the line?

Nowhere.
No line is necessary, nor helpful.
No one is trustworthy; EVERYONE is on the same side of such a line.



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ultimately, it's a choice. I choose to trust most people.

U r the captain of your own ship.

U make its rules, and u live with the consequences.
David
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 04:06 pm
Geeze, I'm sorry. That sounds sad.

My parents are the most wonderful people in this world and my sister is my best friend. I cannot imagine what it would feel like if it were otherwise.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 04:08 pm
vikorr wrote:
Quote:
This thread addresses the wisdom
of trusting your friends with information that can be dangerous to u.

Below is the first line of your original post. Nothing in the rest of the first post contradicts it.
Quote:
Is It Wise to TRUST Our Friends ?


However, I'm glad you have narrowed your question to what is important to you. Unfortunately, the new question is a question that has little to no meaning to me...that could always change in the future, but that is unlikely, and is not the present. I'm quite happy to trust my friends. It is one of the things that has brought me long term happiness and contentment, and I think there is wisdom in that Smile

Let me be clear on one point:
I have never suggested that people shud not BEAR GOOD WILL
to their friends
, nor have I suggested that we shud not enjoy their social company.
David
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 04:08 pm
i guess that happens if you amass property and valuables. I earn enough to live on month to month and am immensely happy that way.

I prefer "occasional treachery" as you call it to no trust any day.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 04:12 pm
dagmaraka wrote:
i guess that happens if you amass property and valuables.
I earn enough to live on month to month and am immensely happy that way.

I prefer "occasional treachery" as you call it to no trust any day.

Other than enjoying your friends' company,
and LIKING them,
does TRUSTING them offer some benefit ?

Did I miss something ?
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 04:26 pm
yes, you do miss something, i believe. I cannot like someone i don't trust. not to mention love. there is no love without trust either.
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vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 04:27 pm
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Let me be clear on one point:
I have never suggested that people shud not BEAR GOOD WILL
to their friends, nor have I suggested that we shud not enjoy their social company.
David

Odd reply. I was simply answering your question.

And trusting friends brings friends closer together.

Actually, would anyone call a person they didn't trust a 'friend'? I would think that's what associates are. Of course that is just a personal way of defining one aspect of friendship.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 04:43 pm
dagmaraka wrote:
Geeze, I'm sorry. That sounds sad.

My parents are the most wonderful people in this world
and my sister is my best friend.
I cannot imagine what it would feel like if it were otherwise.

I had a superb rapport and mental harmony with my mother,
whom I have always considered the very best mother
whom I have ever observed.

My mother earned my respect for her intellect and sound judgment.
She was my BEST advisor.

What I mentioned was a brief interruption
in that rapport.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 04:43 pm
David

Heres one for you.

http://thebraveone.warnerbros.com/

You heard it from me first.

A Vigilante Flick.

Click on TRAILOR and click on the screen to make it larger.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 04:52 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:
dagmaraka wrote:
Geeze, I'm sorry. That sounds sad.

My parents are the most wonderful people in this world
and my sister is my best friend.
I cannot imagine what it would feel like if it were otherwise.

I had a superb rapport and mental harmony with my mother,
whom I have always considered the very best mother
whom I have ever observed.

My mother earned my respect for her intellect and sound judgment.
She was my BEST advisor.

What I mentioned was a brief interruption
in that rapport.


so you do trust her then. you trust her advise, you rely on her, you love her. That's trust.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 04:59 pm
dagmaraka wrote:
yes, you do miss something, i believe.
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I cannot like someone i don't trust.

I can and I DO; frequently.
At the age of 11, I decided to keep trust to a bare minimum,
and not beyond what I am willing to lose.
Since then,
I have liked many people; some, to a great extent,
while harboring the philosophy against trusting anyone.
That has never been a secret.



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not to mention love.
there is no love without trust either.

I deny that.

I love America, but I know that it can go sour,
and that it WILL, if politicians with a particular collectivist philosophy
come into power.

I have loved the ladies,
but always fully aware that human behavior is unpredictable.
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 05:09 pm
There's complete trust and then there's partial trust.

How do you know that you completely trust someone?
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vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 05:12 pm
I think you will find that both of you are using differing definitions of words like 'love' and 'like' (the word 'love' by the way, has the most diferring definitions of any English word that I know of)

By the way David, does the unpredictability of human actions make other humans inherently untrustworthy?
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