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You are a "Nigger" and I am a "Cracker"

 
 
pstewart
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 11:16 pm
joefromchicago wrote:
pstewart wrote:
On the other hand, Occom Bill deliberately insulted Miller above. He called her an ass and implied she was often an ass with the italics on "again." If people's feelings are important to you, then THIS is the post most deserving of criticism.

It is customary for new members to wait until they have at least 100 posts before they start acting like the thread police around here.


Joe, I'm afraid you missed my point. If you'd carefully read my whole post, you'd realize that I offered this as an example of a real (a deliberate) insult, as opposed to accidental insult perceived from a word used in a non-insulting context.

1. I certainly have no intention of "policing" this forum or any other, with the exception, of course, of the forum I run myself. And even there I hate to have to do it.

2. How is a newbie to know what is "customary" here? I didn't know about your "100 posts" policing rule, and it's completely irrelevant anyway, since I don't intend to police anyone, or to take offense at what anyone might say in a harrassing way. I am only interested in discussing, openly and honestly and rationally, ideas and culture and how humans deal with life and with each other.
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 07:33 am
pstewart wrote:
joefromchicago wrote:
pstewart wrote:
On the other hand, Occom Bill deliberately insulted Miller above. He called her an ass and implied she was often an ass with the italics on "again." If people's feelings are important to you, then THIS is the post most deserving of criticism.

It is customary for new members to wait until they have at least 100 posts before they start acting like the thread police around here.


Joe, I'm afraid you missed my point. If you'd carefully read my whole post, you'd realize that I offered this as an example of a real (a deliberate) insult, as opposed to accidental insult perceived from a word used in a non-insulting context.

1. I certainly have no intention of "policing" this forum or any other, with the exception, of course, of the forum I run myself. And even there I hate to have to do it.

2. How is a newbie to know what is "customary" here? I didn't know about your "100 posts" policing rule, and it's completely irrelevant anyway, since I don't intend to police anyone, or to take offense at what anyone might say in a harrassing way. I am only interested in discussing, openly and honestly and rationally, ideas and culture and how humans deal with life and with each other.


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Insults...insults...and more insults, and people wonder why racism is as alive in 2007 as it ever was prior to the Civil Rights movement.
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 07:34 am
snood wrote:
Yo mama, you insipid drone.


Nice try, but certainly you can do better.
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 07:39 am
snood wrote:
So did these tenured professors call them niggers to their faces, or were these cowardly little gossip sessions with none of the referred-to parties present?

And what was your contribution to these pleasant little exchanges, or were you just an inconsequential observer?


You can provide the answers to your own questions, can't you?
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 10:49 am
Yeah, but getting your replies would definitely be more accurate, wouldn't ya say?
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2007 03:43 am
Just how hard is it to find some truth in what one has been told?

When did Elvis become a racist?


Joe(the unexamined life goes on)Nation
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2007 06:27 am
Interesting, Joe. I drank some of that koolaid myself.

Your link made me research it some, and a lot of Elvis' racism does appear to be hype.
I think a lot of it probably stemmed from the understandable angst experienced by some of the black artists at the time (like Little Richard) who saw Elvis as getting paid exponentially more than they for doing similar stuff. I think Little Richard was quoted even recently as saying something about Elvis being racist.

There's similar jealousy (again, not laudable, but understandable) now coming from a lot of black rappers who feel that eminem sells in part because of the novelty 'hook' of a white boy rapping.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 12 Aug, 2007 07:30 am
It's really easy to swiftboat someone as a racist, you just say that they are.

I love Little Richard, but he's been crazy as a bessybug his whole life.

And the answer for anyone who thinks Eminem needs to take advantage, or has an advantage because he is white, is to rap better, dance better or shut up. (I think that might be a quote from Diddy.)

It's too easy to point to anyone who is white and say 'racist', it's an presumption of condition, kind of like thinking that Obama must be running as a black candidate, instead of thinking that maybe he is just running as a candidate.

Joe(I used to think we needed blinders, now I think we need to open our eyes.)Nation
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 13 Aug, 2007 01:19 am
Joe Nation wrote:
It's really easy to swiftboat someone as a racist, you just say that they are.

I love Little Richard, but he's been crazy as a bessybug his whole life.

And the answer for anyone who thinks Eminem needs to take advantage, or has an advantage because he is white, is to rap better, dance better or shut up. (I think that might be a quote from Diddy.)

It's too easy to point to anyone who is white and say 'racist', it's an presumption of condition, kind of like thinking that Obama must be running as a black candidate, instead of thinking that maybe he is just running as a candidate.

Joe(I used to think we needed blinders, now I think we need to open our eyes.)Nation
Standing O... but you still owe me dinner.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 13 Aug, 2007 04:15 am
Yes, Bill, I owe you a dinner. It's a lesson to me that I should never bet on the actions of someone like George W. Bush. The very next time you are within the confines of this enchanted island of Manhattan I shall take you and a person of your choice out for dinner.

Could we at least eat at a French restaurant in honor of GWB's repugnant attitude towards the world?

Having said that allows me to tie this post onto this thread (no pun intended) George decided Rolling Eyes that he wouldn't let himself be anybody's nig-er, turns out he turned out to be hardly anybody's friend as well.

Joe(I should have bet you that Karl Rove would quit before Labor Day.)Nation
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 13 Aug, 2007 03:19 pm
Very much looking forward to it Joe, and I'm just fine with going French. Some of my favorite beverages are French. :wink:
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Coolwhip
 
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Reply Fri 24 Aug, 2007 08:12 am
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/PiracyIsACrime/TheC-word.jpg
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 03:16 am
I'm inclined to say that making words like "nigger" and "cracker" taboo only addresses the symptom, and not the issue at hand. I add but one simple caveat, and that is that these words get so much attention that often other words like for instance "oriental" seem to recieve a second class offence.

I'm ashamed of those who attacked the original poster.

Someone even suggested that the presence of these words was so unnessisary because future genarations will be able to experiance our history though our textbooks. I believe the quote was "have you ever read a textbook?"

I'd ask them back, have you? The textbooks that circulate in our public education system are euro-centric moreover white-centric history. I have seem no pieces of work better engineered to remove "white guilt" and trivialize the stuggles of gaining equal rights.

An example? How about the notion that the fight for equal rights is over. If you read a text book today, I'd be surprized if you left with any other conclusion that equal rights was something started and finished in the 1960's.

Totally bogus.
K
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 03:21 am
The truth is that these words make us very uncomfortable. We don't want to see or hear them. These words are so impregnated with emotion.

I'll just ask. who put such a high premium on comfort? If history has shown us anything, it is that once we find a comfortable safe place, we don't like to leave it.

These words exist regaurdless of people wanting them to. It is meaningless to hide from them.

T
K
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 07:41 am
Coolwhip wrote:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/PiracyIsACrime/TheC-word.jpg


Is that a t-shirt?
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Coolwhip
 
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Reply Sun 26 Aug, 2007 09:34 am
Not to my knowledge... but I'll let you know if I find one like it :wink:
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