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The Government In Charge of Our Entire Health-Care System?

 
 
Miller
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 02:33 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Well, your finespun argumentation here completely convinced me that an universal health care system is something archaic, medieval, inhuman - a commie thing, exactly.


No! It may be the only way to go, in the future, to safeguard the health of all Americans. But, it may take some time for adaptation.
Don't you agree?

Cool
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 02:35 pm
okie wrote:
Just a little correction, oe, we already have "universal" health care. Anyone can go to any Emergency room anywhere in this country and receive care.


I know. Would you really consider this to be universal health care? I mean, universal emergency care, maybe....


okie wrote:
Further, I would like to remind everyone that universal insurance would not need to equate to a single payer system.


Yes. Thanks, okie. If you've been following this thread, you might have noticed that that was my point all along. I'm glad we agree on this.


okie wrote:
To drive a car here in most states, you are supposed to have proof of auto insurance, which would be universal car and human body care resulting from auto mishaps. So I don't think I have a problem with the idea that if anyone ever expects to receive health care, either planned or unplanned, they should be required to have medical insurance, at least for catastrophic health care. The primary thing I am in favor of is as much free market forces as possible remaining in the system, and single payer is not the way to go to attain that.


I agree. If you drive a car, you're supposed to have auto insurance. So likewise, if you have a health, you should be supposed to have a health care insurance. I think you're making a convincing case for mandatory health care insurance here, okie.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 02:36 pm
okie wrote:
Just a little correction, oe, we already have "universal" health care. Anyone can go to any Emergency room anywhere in this country and receive care.



Thanks for clearing this.



Ehem, well, why, do y<ou think, do people elswhere use a different definition of 'universal health care'?

Or do ER's in the USA provide the same medical treatment as family doctors and specialists elswhere?
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Miller
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 02:39 pm
ER physicians are not family physicians. Emergency medicine is a separate specialty requiring a separate examination.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 02:43 pm
Well, so it is - to use oe's words - 'a universal emergency care'.

Something, I'm certain, which can win any country.
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 02:43 pm
Miller wrote:
ER physicians are not family physicians. Emergency medicine is a separate specialty requiring a separate examination.



So, Miller, you're the expert: would you say that the United States currently have a universal health care system?
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Miller
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 02:44 pm
old europe wrote:
Miller wrote:
She does however, doubt that the United States of America played any significant role in medical history.


No. maporsche was asking for examples that the US were the "leader in medical progress."

There's no doubt that the United States are playing a significant role.


With that I agree and will post other examples as time goes by.
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Miller
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 02:45 pm
old europe wrote:
Miller wrote:
ER physicians are not family physicians. Emergency medicine is a separate specialty requiring a separate examination.



So, Miller, you're the expert: would you say that the United States currently have a universal health care system?


How is your post related to the question about emergency medicine?
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 02:47 pm
Miller wrote:
old europe wrote:
Miller wrote:
She does however, doubt that the United States of America played any significant role in medical history.


No. maporsche was asking for examples that the US were the "leader in medical progress."

There's no doubt that the United States are playing a significant role.


With that I agree and will post other examples as time goes by.



Oh, great. I'm looking forward to that. Maybe you could even start a new thread.
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Miller
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 02:47 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Well, so it is - to use oe's words - 'a universal emergency care'.

Something, I'm certain, which can win any country.


Most of the hospitals in the USA, having ERs, are open to everyone in need of emergency care.
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Miller
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 02:48 pm
old europe wrote:


Oh, great. I'm looking forward to that. Maybe you could even start a new thread.


If that's your wish, a new thread could be created... Surprised Surprised Surprised
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 02:49 pm
Miller wrote:
How is your post related to the question about emergency medicine?


Well, I've been following the conversation. Which went like this:


okie wrote:
Just a little correction, oe, we already have "universal" health care. Anyone can go to any Emergency room anywhere in this country and receive care.


Miller wrote:
ER physicians are not family physicians. Emergency medicine is a separate specialty requiring a separate examination.


old europe wrote:
So, Miller, you're the expert: would you say that the United States currently have a universal health care system?
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 02:50 pm
Miller wrote:
old europe wrote:


Oh, great. I'm looking forward to that. Maybe you could even start a new thread.


If that's your wish, a new thread could be created... Surprised Surprised Surprised



Go ahead.
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Mame
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 02:50 pm
Miller wrote:
Mame wrote:
Canada is backwards in some regards, that's for sure.



Why do you suppose?


Mainly I think it's politics. Nobody seems to have any long-term vision anymore because all they see is the next election 4 yrs away. Why did no one predict or act on the shortage of MDs and RNs until way too late? I know very well they have attrition and enrollment figures, but nothing was done. I suspect the hospitals and schools were asking for more money for more students (medical education is heavily subsidized here) for years, but no politician wanted to take up that fight. There is a belief among the common Canadian that medical professionals are overpaid as it is, so asking for more money - forget it! Plus, some years ago anyway, the national health care system made up about 33% of the federal budget.
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Miller
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 02:51 pm
old europe quote:

Quote:
if you have a health, you should be supposed to have a health care insurance.


What if you're not healthy, are you not supposed to have health insurance?

OE, please clarify your statement...
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Mame
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 02:52 pm
And as far as why these non-traditional forms of medicine are not covered by MSP, I put the blame squarely on the College of Physicians and Surgeons. They don't want competition; in addition, they are 'scientists' and distrust anything not proven by a lab.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 02:54 pm
Miller wrote:

Most of the hospitals in the USA, having ERs, are open to everyone in need of emergency care.


Yes, that's the idea behind emergency care in hospitals, I think.

Of course, you've a 24/24 'normal' emergency care (that is for someone, who doesn't need to stay/go in a hopsital) for GPs and Specialist Practices as well, I suppose.
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 02:55 pm
Miller wrote:
old europe quote:

Quote:
if you have a health, you should be supposed to have a health care insurance.


What if you're not healthy, are you not supposed to have health insurance?

OE, please clarify your statement...



<smiles>

Certainly, Miller. I didn't say "if you're healthy", I said "if you have a health."

I believe most people have one. Unless they're dead.

Therefore, okie's post was a good argument in favour of universal mandatory health insurance.
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Miller
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 02:57 pm
Mame wrote:
And as far as why these non-traditional forms of medicine are not covered by MSP, I put the blame squarely on the College of Physicians and Surgeons. They don't want competition; in addition, they are 'scientists' and distrust anything not proven by a lab.


The only one that is questionable may be naturopathic medicine.
But remember, in the US, different forms of therapy are approved and practiced at different rates in different parts of the US. What is approved in the NorthEast could very well not be approved in the South ...etc.
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Miller
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 02:58 pm
old europe wrote:
Miller wrote:
old europe quote:



Certainly, Miller. I didn't say "if you're healthy", I said "if you have a health."



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