Mom and Chatty Toddler Removed From Flight

(What did she say after the "kind of like this..." ellipses? What I read was an addition that was something like, "...but not so bad." What I read may have been inaccurate, of course.)

I know because I have been both childless as an adult and with children as an adult. When I did not have children, I did not comprehend everything involved with a child and there is no way to fully comprehend how to raise and handle children until you have one of your own - period.

And I don't think your opinion is any less - just simply lacking in not experiencing a portion of it.

Soon after, she added, the flight attendant informed the passengers that the plane was turning around and told the mother and child, "You're getting off the plane."

Penland said, "She obviously does not have children."

The person was saying that it was a regional jet, which is usually where newbies start and get more experience before going on to the larger ones, and that there's a lot of movement so that attendants and pilots don't really get to know each other well. If an attendant reports that she's being threatened, a pilot is likely to go with that -- and then if it turns out that she was lying/ exaggerating, she'd probably be fired.

I have also been an adult without children and one with child and I can honestly say that I had no clue as to how kids worked until I had one of my own.
I had many opinion including the fact that I thought parents could actually control their kids, that is, until I had one.
Some kids are naturally quiet and well behaved, some kids are just restless, some kids are off the walls, and some kids are restless, like the one we're talking about here.
From what I saw in the video, the kid was restless, but not that bad.
Most kids have tons of energy and it's very difficult to get them to sit still in any situation which requires them to stay that way for a fair amount of time and there's no controlling this.
As a parent, all you can do is try to keep them busy and distracted when they are forced to stop their energy filled bodies.
I was a ball of energy when I was a kid and I still am at 43

Unless the kid was totally out of control, the airline has a lot of explaining to do.

And you've accepted "the mother said so" as evidence throughout, of course...

(What did she say after the "kind of like this..." ellipses? What I read was an addition that was something like, "...but not so bad." What I read may have been inaccurate, of course.)

When my daughter was a toddler, her doctor explained the energy level like this - a toddler exudes more energy than a professional athlete.

I would just add that the mother gave the same BS argument about the flight attendant:

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Soon after, she added, the flight attendant informed the passengers that the plane was turning around and told the mother and child, "You're getting off the plane."

Penland said, "She obviously does not have children."

I'll venture to guess that Penland has never been a flight attendant either, but that didn't stop her from offering some criticism of her own.

Express Jet is connected with Continental.

http://www.expressjet.com/partners/continental.htm

I think this is part of the "the mother's story doesn't support the mother's story" argument.

She does appear to have said different things in different interviews. Or at least, slightly different things.

The only thing I said about him is that he was as fussy on the plane as he was on the set of GMA -- and that's because his mother admitted as much.

the kid was just as "fussy" on the plane as he was on the set

(What did she say after the "kind of like this..." ellipses? What I read was an addition that was something like, "...but not so bad." What I read may have been inaccurate, of course.)

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And I don't think your opinion is any less - just simply lacking in not experiencing a portion of it.

My opinion is good, it's just lacking? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

You keep twisting things I say - I never said your opinion is lacking directly as you are twisting it - you never experienced raising a child, therefore you never experienced a child needing to be distracted. You never had a child trying to get your constant attention. Even teachers who have excellent experience with children - if they haven't had a child on their own - they go home afterwards. A parent's job is 24/7 - a child especially at that age vies for your attention every waking hour. You can't fully understand it if you don't experience it yourself.

As a parent - I really have no patience with parents that do not try to distract their child in certain situations like this. I fly frequently with my children and have a whole bag of "surprises" I bring with me.

I also have not taken one side over the other - other than other passengers speaking up in support leans me towards the child and parent rather than the flight attendant. I also would like to hear more first.

In a slightly different case, I did side a bit more with the airline - the case where the 3 year old girl was not properly seated and belted (seatbelted that is) in. That was strictly a safety rule issue whereas the child was not fasten in - the parents could have fasten her in and they did not comply.

It also means that I know the drill for having someone removed from a plane. The Captain (pilot) is completely in charge of the plane. After all, he's got your life in his hands. So if he says you're off the plane, you're off. Just like that. No questions asked. The thing is, the pilots mostly stay up in the cockpit, flying the airplane. For which we should be glad. But that means that they're not exactly privy to all that goes on in "the back", where the unwashed masses passengers are. So who's really in charge back there? Why, the flight attendants, of course. Which means that if one doesn't take a shine to you, for whatever reason, there's a chance she/he can convince Mr. Bigshot Pilot to have you thrown off. Because he's got to make a snap judgment, along with pushing buttons and levers and talking to the tower and calculating how much fuel they have and using words like "vector" and thinking about the fight he had with his wife or the flight attendant he'd like to boink or maybe both, based on what some flight attendant, who chances are he's never even worked with before because pilot crews and flight attendant crews travel in different circles, is telling him. And he's got, like, maybe seconds to do this.

On the flipside, it was a regional jet and the pilots and FA's on those flights are typically underpaid and somewhat inexperienced. The regional jets are somewhat of a training ground for flight crews until they gain enough flight time and experience to graduate to the major airlines. So maybe it is true; we won't know until the airline makes a statement about the events.

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On the flipside, it was a regional jet and the pilots and FA's on those flights are typically underpaid and somewhat inexperienced. The regional jets are somewhat of a training ground for flight crews until they gain enough flight time and experience to graduate to the major airlines. So maybe it is true; we won't know until the airline makes a statement about the events.