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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2015 05:42 am
Eric Holder said a 'possibility exists' for the whistleblower to leave Russia. Snowden could strike a deal with US authorities that would allow him to return to the country, the former Attorney General has suggested.

Eric Holder: The Justice Department could strike deal with Edward Snowden
ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2015 07:37 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Thanks for the link, Walter.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2015 09:19 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Eric Holder said a 'possibility exists' for the whistleblower to leave Russia. Snowden could strike a deal with US authorities that would allow him to return to the country, the former Attorney General has suggested.

Eric Holder: The Justice Department could strike deal with Edward Snowden


Excerpt:
Quote:

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In an interview with Yahoo News, Holder said “we are in a different place as a result of the Snowden disclosures” and that “his actions spurred a necessary debate” that prompted President Obama and Congress to change policies on the bulk collection of phone records of American citizens.

Asked if that meant the Justice Department might now be open to a plea bargain that allows Snowden to return from his self-imposed exile in Moscow, Holder replied: “I certainly think there could be a basis for a resolution that everybody could ultimately be satisfied with. I think the possibility exists.”

...

Three sources familiar with informal discussions of Snowden’s case told Yahoo News that one top U.S. intelligence official, Robert Litt, the chief counsel to Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, recently privately floated the idea that the government might be open to a plea bargain in which Snowden returns to the United States, pleads guilty to one felony count and receives a prison sentence of three to five years in exchange for full cooperation with the government.

...

But Wizner, Snowden’s lawyer, said any felony plea by Snowden that results in prison time would be unacceptable to his client. “Our position is he should not be reporting to prison as a felon and losing his civil rights as a result of his act of conscience,” he said.

Moreover, any suggestion of leniency toward Snowden would likely run into strong political opposition in Congress as well as fierce resistance from hard-liners in the intelligence community who remain outraged over his wholesale disclosure of highly classified government documents. Those feelings have, in some ways, been exacerbated by Snowden’s worldwide celebrity that recently prompted him to enter into an arrangement with a speaker’s bureau that has allowed him to give paid talks to worldwide audiences via Skype from his apartment in Moscow.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2015 11:17 am
@InfraBlue,
Today, Wednesday 8 July 2015, at 1800 CEST, WikiLeaks published three NSA intercepts of German Chancellor Angela Merkel, together with a list of 56 National Security Agency (NSA) target selectors for the Chancellor and the Chancellery. It lists not only confidential numbers for the Chancellor, but also for her top officials, her aides, her chief of staff, her political office and even her fax machine.

The combined German NSA target lists released by WikiLeaks so far shows the NSA explicitly targeted for long-term surveillance 125 phone numbers for top German officials and did so for political and economic reasons, according to its own designations.

The target list includes almost two dozen targeted telephone numbers at the federal agency (German: Bundeskanzleramt) that serves the executive office of the Chancellor, surrounding the Chancellor in a web of surveillance. The intensive nature of US targeting around the Chancellor explains why the White House could easily commit to not targeting Angela Merkel personally in the future, but continues to refuse to make such a commitment for other members of the German government – the Chancellor cannot run the government by talking to herself.

Source: Süddeutsche Zeitung daily newspaper], ARD [main news of the consortium of public broadcasters in Germany]

wikileaks report
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2015 11:23 am
Cannot imagine why anyone would want to keep eyes on the German Chancellor…or Chancellery.

No German Chancellor has ever caused trouble for the world…and the Chancellery has never been host to anything of any international concern.

Right?
revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jul, 2015 09:04 am
@InfraBlue,
I really didn't think Holder was speaking the views of the WH, NSA or the FBI. I know it is unpopular on this thread but I agree with those who have said or hinted that while Snowden started a conversation and a debate regarding mass data storing in which we have now changed in large part because of him, he also stole tons of classified documents which had nothing to do spying or mass data storing and released to unauthorized persons which was a reckless thing to do.

Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jul, 2015 11:07 am
@revelette2,
I agree, Revelette.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jul, 2015 01:21 pm
mark
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2015 02:16 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
No German Chancellor has ever caused trouble for the world…and the Chancellery has never been host to anything of any international concern.


So you are saying that modern Germany is the same as the Germany of the 1930s to the point that spying on their government at this level is called for?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2015 02:47 pm
@BillRM,
Not in any way, Bill.

I am saying that Walter expressing great consternation that any nation would spy on Germany is not being realistic.

If he, or you, feel that Germany is very trustworthy and that nobody should spy on them because they can be trusted...fine.

I only hope that our intelligence service never comes to such a naive conclusion.

Is there something wrong with me expressing that sentiment?
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jul, 2015 06:25 am
@revelette2,
Quote:
while Snowden started a conversation and a debate regarding mass data storing in which we have now changed in large part because of him, he also stole tons of classified documents which had nothing to do spying or mass data storing and released to unauthorized persons which was a reckless thing to do.

You can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs.
revelette2
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jul, 2015 07:07 am
@Olivier5,
Use eggs alternatives.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jul, 2015 09:46 am
@BillRM,
Well I never have must problems with governments spying on each other and this example was amazing only due to the lack of security that the German government maintain on their top level communications.

However I do have a problem with massive and random spying on everyday citizens in the mostly forlorn hope of finding and IDing a needle in a very very large haystack.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 20 Aug, 2015 06:40 am
Since it has been talked here earlier:
the Federal Prosecution have finishe their investigation and will accuse the German Markus R. (who worked at the BND, our foreign secret service): they will accuse for treason (because he communicated state secrets to a foreign power, namely via the CIA).

On a different note: we just have an acting General Federal Prosecutor (one of the Deputy General Prosecutors), because the old was fired.
The reason:
Quote:
In July, Public Prosecutor Harald Range launched a treason investigation into the Netzpolitik.org journalists Markus Beckedahl and Andre Meister, months after they reported on secret government plans to expand online surveillance. Netzpolitik specializes in covering online privacy and digital culture, and, true to their mission, the journalists had published a report about plans for heightened Internet surveillance by German intelligence services, using confidential documents to make their case. Range opened his probe following a criminal complaint filed by Germany's domestic intelligence agency, the BND.
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The treason investigation prompted widespread criticism from free-speech advocates who accuse the authorities of curtailing expression and failing to protect whistleblowers. Many also accuse the government of singling out journalists while notably failing to investigate accusations of mass surveillance by the US National Security Agency.

Ultimately, Social Democratic Justice Minister Heiko Maas weighed in, questioning the decision to open the investigation in the first place and finally firing Range after the prosecutor accused him of political interference, which Maas has denied.
Source
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 20 Aug, 2015 12:45 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Germany charges suspected triple agent with treason
revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 21 Aug, 2015 08:49 am
@Walter Hinteler,
No offense but from what I can see the only difference between that agent and Snowden is that Snowden stole documents and gave it to various news agencies, the triple agent sold files and gave it to the US and Russia. Both gave classified information to unauthorized persons.

If one person steals bread to give to starving children and another person steals bread to eat it themselves, both will be charged with stealing bread.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 21 Aug, 2015 09:10 am
@revelette2,
Well,"netzpolitik.org" had published some "secret" papers, and the last General Federal Prosecutor wanted to prosecute that. He got fired.

Personally, I would have liked that this case went to the courts: we would have got a final decision if/that such kind of whistleblowing is completely legal.
revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 21 Aug, 2015 04:48 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I had to look up netpolitik.org to know kind of what you were talking about. It is a newspaper or news blog? It would be against the laws to prosecute the press in our country as well. Freedom of the press is protected by the first amendment of our constitution.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2015 12:22 am
@revelette2,
I just had a great idea. Lets take first amendment rights from politicians and force them to tell the truth. If they tell a lie send them to jail for 10 years. One month to clear all the crooks out of Washington.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2015 12:59 pm
Quote:
Doris Lessing trailed by MI5 for 20 years
BBC - 21 August 2015

Nobel Prize-winning author Doris Lessing was spied on by security services for more than 20 years over suspicions of her communist sympathies, newly declassified records show.

Lessing's movements were documented during her younger years by MI5 both in her homeland in Africa and in England.

It was her anti-racism stance as well and her Communist Party membership that worried MI5.

Lessing, who died in 2013 aged 94, won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 2007.

Her books include The Golden Notebook, The Sweetest Dream and The Grass is Singing, as well a number of short story collections.

She was born in Kermanshah, in western Iran, where her British father was a clerk with the Imperial Bank of Persia.

In 1925 the family moved to Southern Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe - where she met and married her second husband German Communist Gottfried Lessing in 1945. They divorced in 1949.

The security services trailed her between 1943 and 1964.

It was during her time in Africa that she roused the attentions of security services, who viewed her membership of several left-leaning groups with suspicion, including the Rhodesian Friends of the Soviet Union.

She also ran the Salisbury Left Club in Southern Rhodesia, a club "patronised by persons with foreign accents", the records show.

It said: "The general tone of this club is reported to be very left, and it is stated that most topics of discussion there usually end up in anti-British, anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist vapourings."

Lessing was particularly vocal about the poor treatment of black Africans.

"Her communist sympathies have been fanned almost to the point of fanaticism owing to her upbringing in Rhodesia, which has brought out in her a deep hatred of the colour bar," a note in her MI5 file reveals.

"Colonial exploitation is her pet theme and she has now nearly become... irresponsible in her statements... saying that everything black is wonderful and that all men and all things white are vicious."

Lessing moved to Britain in 1949

Scotland Yard's Special Branch also compiled a file on her in 1950, and authorisation was given to intercept post sent to an address where she was staying in Berlin.

Also in the file was a note compiled by Metropolitan Police's Special Branch in 1965 about her activities in London.

"Her flat is frequently visited by persons of various nationality, including Americans, Indians, Chinese and Negroes," the report said.

"Some of the visitors seem to stay at the flat for days at a time and some of the visits are made by apparently unmarried couples. It is possible that the flat is being used for immoral practices."

The same year, Lessing left the Communist Party over the Soviet Union's involvement in Hungary.

Later, speaking about her Communist Party affiliations, Lessing said: "I can't understand why I was so gullible."
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