Is this a specious argument for pro-abortion?

@Foofie,

firefly wrote:

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Extrapolating your thought, abortions should be illegal, because of the negative effect emotionally on those that consider abortion murder. Really simple, put that way, in context of considering the health of others.

Then capital punishment should be illegal as well--that is unquestionably murder, which is done in the name of the people of the state, and many people are deeply disturbed that such murders are carried out in their name.

Wars should be illegal as well, by the same logic you are using.

Foofie wrote:

O.K. I don't subscribe to capital punishment.
That is a waste of a life that could be utilized in some way.

We need NOT be so STINGY about it.
We are not so desperately in need of more human lives,
that we will default upon avenging crime victims.
We can comfortably afford to waste the lives of murderers.
Population numbers seem to be ample; yes ??

David

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Great eh? OSD gets an up thumb for expressing a wish to end lives and I get 10 down thumbs for expressing a wish to save some.

How very ******* nice I must say. What a lovely bunch of folks are in this ****-hole.

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@spendius,

If its a "****-hole", why are you here?

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@spendius,

Don't let it bother you. I'm actually trying to break a record. So far -7.
: )

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@mysteryman,

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If its a "****-hole", why are you here?

I have scatological inclinations.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

Great eh? OSD gets an up thumb for expressing a wish to end lives

That was out of VENGEANCE, Spendius!
The idea is that government is vicariously avenging the victim of the condemned man,
exercising the victim's natural right to get even. That 's fair. That 's justice.
IF government were to default in its moral duty to avenge him,
then MORALLY, that natural right woud revert to the victim
or to his survivors. If someone who I cared about enuf became
a victim of violence, then I 'd feel very guilty, ashamed of myself
unless I avenged her or him upon the perpetrator; the idea is that government renders that service FOR u.

spendius wrote:

and I get 10 down thumbs for expressing a wish to save some.

U r referring to abortion?
Prohibition of freedom of abortion is de facto slavery and involuntary servitude.

spendius wrote:

How very ******* nice I must say.

Yes; ******* is very nice,
but sometimes it results in the need for abortion, which can be inconvenient.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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Yes; ******* is very nice,
but sometimes it results in the need for abortion, which can be inconvenient.

When ******* results in the need for abortion then the ******* should have been avoided and strictly speaking it wasn't ******* at all because the need for the abortion was present at the time. In which case the woman was being insulted.

With about 40 executions in the US per year and many thousands of murders (over 15,000 in 2010) and no executions in 13 states or in Europe it looks like your view is not widely accepted.

Why do you think that most of the states with no death penalty are adjoining Canada and closest both geographically and culturally to Europe?

If your views were widely accepted I do believe you would change them.

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@spendius,

DAVID wrote:

Yes; ******* is very nice,
but sometimes it results in the need for abortion, which can be inconvenient.

spendius wrote:

When ******* results in the need for abortion then the ******* should have been avoided [??Y?? David] and strictly speaking
it wasn't ******* at all [??????] because the need for the abortion was present at the time.

THAT is very dramaticly a non-sequitur.

It looks like u have secretly decided
to re-define the word: "*******".

spendius wrote:

In which case the woman was being insulted.

1. How was it insulting to the woman???
2. Assuming that it WAS insulting, how did that stop it from being *******?????

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@OmSigDAVID,

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THAT is very dramaticly a non-sequitur.

Take it easy with the assertions Dave. They can lead you astray. You get stuck in the mindset you had when you first began with the infantile tactic. Better to explain them really and then we might be able to look into the position. The ******* referred to was the non sequitur.

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It looks like u have secretly decided
to re-define the word: "*******".

Why is it secret when I just put it on the thread? And feel free to enlighten me with your own definition. I need enlightenment.

Still--"looks like" flags up coming meaninglessness. "Seems" is more common. "One might hazard a speculation that" is posher.

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How was it insulting to the woman???

Do you think it was a compliment then? Or neutral? If neither it must be insulting.

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Assuming that it WAS insulting, how did that stop it from being *******?????

Under the terms of a proper definition of *******. A process which runs the risk of producing offspring from the joining of a man and woman. With the beasts of evolution copulation is more appropriate.

Using the word how you seem to want to do then it is possible to **** a blow-up doll. Which is very insulting to women.

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