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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jan, 2015 09:22 pm
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In a Jan. 20 letter to 16 UVA sororities, national sorority leaders called on female students involved in Greek life to stay away from fraternity parties associated with the end of "rush," in which the houses welcome their new members. The request came less than a month after the end of a moratorium on Greek life, which was first instated because of a Rolling Stone article that detailed a graphic alleged rape at a UVA off-campus fraternity house. Details in that story were later discredited.

The letter sparked a petition calling for the policy to be revoked, and many female students at UVA expressed concern that the mandate sent the wrong message about their ability to make safe choices and jeopardized students' rights to self-governance.

"This mandate perpetuates the idea that women are inferior, sexual objects. It is degrading to Greek women, as it appears that the NPC (National Panhellenic Conference) views us as defenseless," the petition said.


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/uva-sorority-members-plan-skip-parties-still-dont-agree-policy-n297651

More of the American "MEN SUCK!" Narrative right here.......
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jan, 2015 09:41 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
More of the American "MEN SUCK!" Narrative right here.......


And women are children not adults.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jan, 2015 09:46 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
More of the American "MEN SUCK!" Narrative right here.......


And women are children not adults.


And we need paternalistic power to run things from the top, because we are too stupid to do life "right" ourselves. This claim is made in spite of how badly the elite have fucked up this society. This is an overt power grab by the elite, they always want more power, no matter how poorly they exercise the power that they already have.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2015 10:40 pm
A jury refusing to convict an old man for rape after he had sex with his long time wife deals a blow to the feminists theory of consent. The woman has alzheimer's, according to feminist dogma anyone who has sex with her is a rapist, even her husband.

Seriously, the government needs to figure out that it is time to get off of the feminists bus, they already have massive legitimacy problems in the eyes of the people, they dont need to be adding to the list.
hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2015 06:27 am
@hawkeye10,
You are such a tosspot. Feminism wrong because of a jury decision in a case bought by an ADA clearly not sponsored by any group claiming to represent feminists. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-22/iowa-man-accused-of-raping-wife-with-alzheimer-s-is-acquitted

How do you live with yourself?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2015 06:36 am
@hawkeye10,
That is an amazing case of her two daughters not caring for her husband and using the legal system to interfere with thier relationship.

Maybe both my wife and ,I as we are both getting along in years, should sign papers that no matter what mental conditions that disease or old age might place us in that we both wish to maintain a sexual relationship with each other.

Not sure however if even that would be enough to offer protections from such over the top idea of what rape happen to be.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2015 08:32 am
@hawkeye10,
Your paranoid obsession with feminists has gotten quite absurd, particularly when you try to apply it to cases like this.

The issue of consent, and cognitive ability to consent, and how consent is expressed, in elderly patients suffering from advanced dementia, is a serious ethical, medical, and legal multi-dimensional issue that warrants an equally serious level of analysis and discussion, and not your usual simplistic uninformed and inaccurate pronouncements.

The acquittal in this case did not deal "a blow to the feminists theory of consent"--or to the state's definition of consent--or to anyone's definition of consent. The man in this case was acquitted because there was no evidence that any sexual activity had even occurred on the date in question, so the consent issue was irrelevant or moot.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/23/health/iowa-man-found-not-guilty-of-sexually-abusing-wife-with-alzheimers.html?mabReward=R4&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&region=CColumn&module=Recommendation&src=rechp&WT.nav=RecEngine&_r=0

This case, which involved a late-life second marriage for both spouses, and which has nothing at all to do with "feminist dogma", was complicated by intra-family conflicts between this man and his wife's daughters, and by the fact that one of these daughters, and not the husband, was the wife's legal guardian as well as her health care proxy, and we do not know how or why that arrangement, which excluded the husband in this particular case from making major decisions for his wife, came about. It was apparently the woman's daughters who instigated the criminal complaint against their stepfather, after they believed he disregarded a doctor's appraisal that their mother was cognitively unable to give consent.

Elderly nursing home and care facility patients suffering from advanced dementia do need to be protected from possible sexual abuse or exploitation, whether by spouses or by others. This is hardly a feminist concern, but it's a legitimate quality of care issue, and possible criminal issue, for a very vulnerable population. And what these patients might or might not desire in terms of intimacy, even with spouses, is not always clear. As the population of baby boomers ages, and cases of advanced dementia also substantially increase, I think we're going to see continued focus on trying to balance privacy and protection issues, for the severely cognitively impaired, no longer living at home, in a realistic manner. People might also start making their sexual contact wishes known in advance directives, similar to those for health care.

Can those with dementia have a sex life? It's a very individual matter, and a much more complicated matter, than your usual simplistic level of thinking can even begin to address.
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/04/22/can-people-with-dementia-have-a-sex-life




hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2015 08:54 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Can those with dementia have a sex life? It's a very individual matter,


Bullshit, the state says that it gets to decide, and it has decided that the answer in no.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2015 08:55 pm
Jameis Winston goes #1 in the draft. Score one for just outcomes.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2015 09:40 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:

Maybe both my wife and ,I as we are both getting along in years, should sign papers that no matter what mental conditions that disease or old age might place us in that we both wish to maintain a sexual relationship with each other.
Isnt that called a marriage certificate ?
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2015 09:42 pm
All this bullshit about what constitutes rape is driven by lesbian feminist fear of a penis . No sensible person would maintain that a husband can rape his wife . He can be guilty of assault, but not rape .
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2015 10:18 pm
@Ionus,
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Isnt that called a marriage certificate ?


Not any longer and footnote the first case brought under the idea that rape can occur inside an ongoing marriage resulted in not only a not guilty verdict but the couple then got back together.

Strange people as if my wife would charge me with rape that would indeed be the ended of any feelings toward her.

Hell when I had learn that my first wife lied to get a do not assualt order on me that ended any possiblity of getting back with her for me.

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jun, 2015 11:05 am
Really good piece at Slate showing how an alleged documentary is really a political hatchet job, one supported by the Obama Administration. It is very long, here is the first bit:

How The Hunting Ground Blurs the Truth

The documentary is shaping the public debate around campus rape. But a closer look at one of its central cases suggests the filmmakers put advocacy ahead of accuracy.

By Emily Yoffe

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The recent documentary The Hunting Ground asserts that young women are in grave danger of sexual assault as soon as they arrive on college campuses. The film has been screened at the White House for staff and legislators. Senate Democrat Kirsten Gillibrand, who makes a cameo appearance in the film, cites it as confirmation of the need for the punitive campus sexual assault legislation she has introduced. Gillibrand’s colleague Barbara Boxer, after the film’s premiere said, “Believe me, there will be fallout.” The film has received nearly universal acclaim from critics—the Washington Post called it “lucid,” “infuriating,” and “galvanizing”—and, months after its initial release, its influence continues to grow, as schools across the country host screenings. “If you have a daughter going to any college in America, you need to see The Hunting Ground,” the MSNBC host Joe Scarborough told his viewers in May. This fall, it will get a further boost when CNN, a co-producer, plans to broadcast the film, broadening its audience. The Hunting Ground is helping define the problem of campus sexual assault for policymakers, college administrators, students, and their parents.

The film has two major themes. One, stated by producer Amy Ziering during an appearance on The Daily Show, is that campus sexual assaults are not “just a date gone bad, or a bad hook-up, or, you know, miscommunication.” Instead, the filmmakers argue, campus rape is “a highly calculated, premeditated crime,” one typically committed by serial predators. (They give significant screen time to David Lisak, the retired psychology professor who originated this theory.) The second theme is that even when school administrators are informed of harm done to female students by these repeat offenders, schools typically do nothing in response. Director Kirby Dick has said that “colleges are primarily concerned about their reputation” and that “if a rape happens, they’ll do everything to distances themselves from it.” In the film, a former assistant dean of students at the University of North Carolina, Melinda Manning, says schools “make it difficult for students to report” sexual assault in order to avoid federal reporting requirements and to “artificially keep [their] numbers low.”

One of the four key stories told in the film illustrates both of these points. It is the harrowing account of Kamilah Willingham, who describes what happened during the early morning hours of Jan.15, 2011, while she was a student at Harvard Law School. She says a male classmate, a man she thought was her friend, drugged the drinks he bought at a bar for her and a female friend, then took the two women back to Willingham’s apartment and sexually assaulted them. When she reported this to Harvard, she says university officials were indifferent and even hostile to her. “He’s dangerous,” she says in the film of her alleged attacker, as she tries to keep her composure. “This is a rapist. This is a guy who’s a sexual predator, who assaulted two girls in one night.” The events continue to haunt her. “It’s still right up here,” she says tearfully, placing a hand on her chest.

In multiple interviews, the filmmakers have said that they rigorously vetted all of the stories they present in The Hunting Ground. They also acknowledge that they are advocates fighting for a cause. Dick, in an interview with a campus newspaper, said, “I see myself as both an activist and a filmmaker.” In the Boston Globe, when Ziering was asked what people can do for victims of sexual assault, she said, “You can believe the survivors.”

An allegation of sexual assault is a grave one. If proven true, it can rightly end a perpetrator’s education and send him to prison. Because the stakes are so high, it is crucial, in telling stories of sexual assault, not to be blinded by advocacy, but to fairly examine the assertions of both sides. Despite the filmmakers’ assurances, The Hunting Ground fails in this regard. I looked into the case of Kamilah Willingham, whose allegations generated a voluminous record. What the evidence (including Willingham’s own testimony) shows is often dramatically at odds with the account presented in the film.

Willingham’s story is not an illustration of a sexual predator allowed to run loose by self-interested administrators. The record shows that what happened that night was precisely the kind of spontaneous, drunken encounter that administrators who deal with campus sexual assault accusations say is typical. (The filmmakers, who favor David Lisak’s poorly substantiated position that our college campuses are rife with serial rapists, reject the suggestion that such encounters are the source of many sexual assault allegations.) Nor is Willingham’s story an example of official indifference. Harvard did not ignore her complaints; the school thoroughly investigated them. And because of her allegations, the law school education of her alleged assailant has been halted for the past four years.

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The documentary is shaping the public debate around campus rape. But a closer look at one of its central cases suggests the filmmakers put advocacy ahead of accuracy.

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Animation by Lisa Larson-Walker. Photo by Dan4th Nicholas/Flickr Creative Commons.

The recent documentary The Hunting Ground asserts that young women are in grave danger of sexual assault as soon as they arrive on college campuses. The film has been screened at the White House for staff and legislators. Senate Democrat Kirsten Gillibrand, who makes a cameo appearance in the film, cites it as confirmation of the need for the punitive campus sexual assault legislation she has introduced. Gillibrand’s colleague Barbara Boxer, after the film’s premiere said, “Believe me, there will be fallout.” The film has received nearly universal acclaim from critics—the Washington Post called it “lucid,” “infuriating,” and “galvanizing”—and, months after its initial release, its influence continues to grow, as schools across the country host screenings. “If you have a daughter going to any college in America, you need to see The Hunting Ground,” the MSNBC host Joe Scarborough told his viewers in May. This fall, it will get a further boost when CNN, a co-producer, plans to broadcast the film, broadening its audience. The Hunting Ground is helping define the problem of campus sexual assault for policymakers, college administrators, students, and their parents.
Emily Yoffe
EMILY YOFFE
Emily Yoffe is a regular Slate contributor. She writes the Dear Prudence column. You can reach her at [email protected].

The film has two major themes. One, stated by producer Amy Ziering during an appearance on The Daily Show, is that campus sexual assaults are not “just a date gone bad, or a bad hook-up, or, you know, miscommunication.” Instead, the filmmakers argue, campus rape is “a highly calculated, premeditated crime,” one typically committed by serial predators. (They give significant screen time to David Lisak, the retired psychology professor who originated this theory.) The second theme is that even when school administrators are informed of harm done to female students by these repeat offenders, schools typically do nothing in response. Director Kirby Dick has said that “colleges are primarily concerned about their reputation” and that “if a rape happens, they’ll do everything to distances themselves from it.” In the film, a former assistant dean of students at the University of North Carolina, Melinda Manning, says schools “make it difficult for students to report” sexual assault in order to avoid federal reporting requirements and to “artificially keep [their] numbers low.”
One of the four key stories told in the film illustrates both of these points. It is the harrowing account of Kamilah Willingham, who describes what happened during the early morning hours of Jan.15, 2011, while she was a student at Harvard Law School. She says a male classmate, a man she thought was her friend, drugged the drinks he bought at a bar for her and a female friend, then took the two women back to Willingham’s apartment and sexually assaulted them. When she reported this to Harvard, she says university officials were indifferent and even hostile to her. “He’s dangerous,” she says in the film of her alleged attacker, as she tries to keep her composure. “This is a rapist. This is a guy who’s a sexual predator, who assaulted two girls in one night.” The events continue to haunt her. “It’s still right up here,” she says tearfully, placing a hand on her chest.

In multiple interviews, the filmmakers have said that they rigorously vetted all of the stories they present in The Hunting Ground. They also acknowledge that they are advocates fighting for a cause. Dick, in an interview with a campus newspaper, said, “I see myself as both an activist and a filmmaker.” In the Boston Globe, when Ziering was asked what people can do for victims of sexual assault, she said, “You can believe the survivors.”

An allegation of sexual assault is a grave one. If proven true, it can rightly end a perpetrator’s education and send him to prison. Because the stakes are so high, it is crucial, in telling stories of sexual assault, not to be blinded by advocacy, but to fairly examine the assertions of both sides. Despite the filmmakers’ assurances, The Hunting Ground fails in this regard. I looked into the case of Kamilah Willingham, whose allegations generated a voluminous record. What the evidence (including Willingham’s own testimony) shows is often dramatically at odds with the account presented in the film.
“I see myself as both an activist and a filmmaker”
Kirby Dick, director of The Hunting Ground, to a campus newspaper.
Willingham’s story is not an illustration of a sexual predator allowed to run loose by self-interested administrators. The record shows that what happened that night was precisely the kind of spontaneous, drunken encounter that administrators who deal with campus sexual assault accusations say is typical. (The filmmakers, who favor David Lisak’s poorly substantiated position that our college campuses are rife with serial rapists, reject the suggestion that such encounters are the source of many sexual assault allegations.) Nor is Willingham’s story an example of official indifference. Harvard did not ignore her complaints; the school thoroughly investigated them. And because of her allegations, the law school education of her alleged assailant has been halted for the past four years.
The Hunting Ground does not identify that man. His name is Brandon Winston, now 30 years old. Earlier this year, he was tried in a Massachusetts superior court on felony charges of indecent assault and battery—that is, unwanted sexual touching, not rape. In March, he was cleared of all felony charges and found guilty of a single count of misdemeanor nonsexual touching. Following the trial, the Administrative Board of Harvard Law School, which handles student discipline, reviewed Winston’s case and voted to reinstate him. This fall, he will be allowed to complete his long-delayed final year of law school.

Like most journalists and critics, I first wrote about The Hunting Ground on Feb. 27 of this year, the day the film made its theatrical debut, and did so unaware that, the same week, the unnamed man Willingham calls a rapist was standing trial in Middlesex County on the charges stemming from her criminal complaint. I learned of Winston’s trial when a juror contacted me after it concluded to express dismay that Winston had been forced to stand trial—and had faced potential jail time—for what she saw as a drunken hook-up. Winston declined to talk with me directly, but I spoke extensively with Norman Zalkind, the lawyer who represented him at trial.

The makers of The Hunting Ground say they gave the young men implicated in the film a chance to comment, and none responded. But it wasn’t until February, a month after the documentary made a celebrated debut at the Sundance Film Festival, that Winston says he was first contacted by a representative for the film. He referred this person to Zalkind, who says he never heard from anyone representing The Hunting Ground. I contacted Kirby Dick to talk to him about the Willingham case. He declined to speak with me, but asked for a list of written questions. I sent him my questions by email, and he replied, “After careful consideration I respectfully decline.” I also contacted CNN to discuss the case. A representative did not respond to a request for comment.

The filmmakers present what happened between Kamilah Willingham and Brandon Winston as a terrifying warning to female college students and their parents, and a call to arms to government officials and college administrators. They offer the case as prima facie evidence that draconian regulations, laws, and punishments are required to end what they say is a scourge of sexual violence. But there is another story, which the filmmakers do not tell. It’s a story in which Willingham’s accusations are taken seriously and Winston’s actions are thoroughly investigated, first by Harvard University and later by the Middlesex County district attorney’s office. It’s a story in which neither the school nor the legal system finds that a rape occurred, and in which Willingham’s credibility is called seriously into question. It’s a story of an ambiguous sexual encounter among young adults that almost destroyed the life of the accused, a young black man with no previous record of criminal behavior. It’s a story that demonstrates how deeply the filmmakers’ politics colored their presentation of the facts—and how deeply flawed their influential film is as a result.



Kamilah Willingham, now 28 years old, is a graduate of Pomona College and until recently worked in Los Angeles for Just Detention International, an organization fighting sexual abuse of prisoners. (I attempted to reach Willingham on the phone, through her former employer, through her lawyer, and via Facebook, but I did not hear back from her.) Brandon Winston was born at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina; his father is a former Marine who became a New York City firefighter, his mother a high school math teacher. He was accepted on scholarship to the elite boarding school Phillips Academy through a program to bring promising urban students to the school. He graduated from St. John’s College in Santa Fe, New Mexico. He wants to be a patent lawyer.

According to the transcripts from Winston’s eventual trial for assault, Willingham got to know Winston, who was a year behind her in school, when they worked together on a research project for a class they were both taking. Both tall and good-looking, they started seeing each other socially, and one time at Willingham’s apartment they made out, but decided to be just friends. After the project concluded, they drifted apart, each busy with school and new romantic involvements. But by the winter of Willingham’s third year of law school, her relationship had ended, and Winston’s was winding down as well. The two began exchanging messages about finding a time to reconnect.



http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/doublex/2015/06/the_hunting_ground_a_closer_look_at_the_influential_documentary_reveals.html

Scary stuff about how political agendas get packaged and consumed as truth by idiot America.

I blame the education system.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2015 12:28 am
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The biggest challenge Ms. Stenger faces, she says, is addressing the alcohol question because men and women think the situation is a wash when both are inebriated. “It makes me crazy,” she said. “They ask, ‘Am I still a victim?’ Yes!”

The hope advanced by many sex educators, including Ms. Stenger, is that seeking and receiving consent will render sex healthier, more gender equitable and maybe even sexier.

But it turns out that men and women are not great verbal communicators when it comes to sex. Both genders are likely to follow what Kristen J. Jozkowski, a sex researcher and assistant professor at the University of Arkansas, characterizes as “traditional sexual scripts,” whereby men are the pursuers and women the gatekeepers of sex, trained by society to be reluctant. Studies have found these stereotypes, even in the age of hookup sites like Tinder, to be generally true. Men tend to rely on nonverbal cues in interpreting consent (61 percent say they get consent via body language), but women tend to wait to be asked before signaling consent (only 10 percent say they give consent via body language). No wonder there’s so much confusion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/education/edlife/affirmative-consent-are-students-really-asking.html?hpw&rref=education&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well&_r=0

The source of the problem is that the feminists went into partnership with government and together they built sexual policy on the foundation of the feminists fantasies.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2015 12:48 am
@hawkeye10,
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But it turns out that men and women are not great verbal communicators when it comes to sex. true Both genders are likely to follow what Kristen J. Jozkowski, a sex researcher and assistant professor at the University of Arkansas, characterizes as “traditional sexual scripts,” whereby men are the pursuers and women the gatekeepers of sex predator/prey...yes, trained by society to be reluctant used to be true, not anymore. Studies have found these stereotypes, even in the age of hookup sites like Tinder, to be generally true. Men tend to rely on nonverbal cues in interpreting consent (61 percent say they get consent via body language), but women tend to wait to be asked before signaling consent (only 10 percent say they give consent via body language).I honestly think this is bullshit. even in blind studies people tend to give the "right" answer rather than the truth on highly loaded moral questions, and any member of they sisterhood who says that she believes anything other than only a verbal yes means yes knows that they are "wrong" according to the feminists. The men probably dont care as much what the feminists say. Hopefully. In my experience women rely on non verbal consent as much as the guys say they do. The opening statement was the truth...verbal communication does not work in sex very well, it messes up the predator/prey game, which accounts for a lot of the fun, and it interrupts our passion . No wonder there’s so much confusion
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2015 07:31 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

All this bullshit about what constitutes rape is driven by lesbian feminist fear of a penis . No sensible person would maintain that a husband can rape his wife . He can be guilty of assault, but not rape .


So, help me out in this scenario...
A husband and wife are estranged but still living together. They have ceased even interacting with each other, much less having sex. The man decides one night he wants to have sex. The woman is absolutely, unequivocally against it, and expresses that she has no interest in sex with him under any circumstances. He proceeds to physically force her - tears off her clothes, forces open her legs, penetrates, completes the act.

Tell me again, why is this not rape?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2015 09:16 am
@snood,
Ionus will be back with a stupid answer to your smart question as soon as someone else can explain it to him, because his first reaction will be to tell you "there is no rape in whatever it is a husband dos to his wife."

And that will be his second reaction as well.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2015 10:06 am
Ex-Wife: Donald Trump Made Me Feel ‘Violated’ During Sex
Source: Daily Beast

Ivana Trump once accused the real estate tycoon of ‘rape,’ although she later clarified: not in the ‘criminal sense.’
Donald Trump introduced his presidential campaign to the world with a slur against Mexican immigrants, accusing them of being “rapists” and bringing crime into the country.

“I mean somebody’s doing it!…Who’s doing the raping?” Donald Trump said, when asked to defend his characterization. It was an unfortunate turn of phrase for Trump—in more ways than one. Not only does the current front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination have a history of controversial remarks about sexual assault, but as it turns out, his ex-wife Ivana Trump once used “rape” to describe an incident between them in 1989. She later said she felt “violated” by the experience.

Michael Cohen, special counsel at The Trump Organization, defended his boss, saying, “You’re talking about the front-runner for the GOP, presidential candidate, as well as private individual who never raped anybody. And, of course, understand that by the very definition, you can’t rape your spouse.”

“It is true,” Cohen added. “You cannot rape your spouse. And there’s very clear case law.”

Read more: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/27/ex-wife-donald-trump-made-feel-violated-during-sex.html
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2015 10:20 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
“It is true,” Cohen added. “You cannot rape your spouse. And there’s very clear case law.”


Cohen's as uninformed on law as tRump is:

Man Found Guilty of Raping His Wife
By GEORGE JAMES
Published: December 6, 1995


Every year, the Manhattan District Attorney's office brings a few dozen cases against men accused of raping their wives. In all but a few cases, the men are not convicted, often because the woman decides not to pursue the case.

But on Monday, one of the cases prevailed, in part because the woman was upset that her husband never expressed any remorse over the attack.

The man, Jose Santos, a 37-year-old resident of Washington Heights, was convicted of first-degree rape, first-degree sodomy, first-degree sexual abuse and second-degree assault in the May 9 attack, which prosecutors said was so violent that his wife's ankle was broken.

Linda Fairstein, chief of the Manhattan District Attorney's sex crimes unit, said many of the marital rape cases her office handles never go to trial.

"We lose the victims before the trial," Ms. Fairstein said. "The victims withdraw, choose not to prosecute, some because of fear of reprisal, some because of the psychological feelings involved."

Ms. Fairstein, the author of the book "Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape" (William Morrow & Company, 1993), said that a wife who has been sexually abused or battered approaches the criminal justice system "with a lot of ambivalence," partly because of "societal attitudes."

"I think the perception has been nationally as a result of the Simpson case that these cases don't do well in the system," Ms. Fairstein said, referring to domestic violence cases in general.

She said the victim of a marital rape may have a love-hate relationship with her spouse and still hopes to resume the relationship. Also, she may not want to see the father of her children go to jail, or is fearful of financial hardship if the wage-earner receives a prison sentence.

In this week's case, the victim, a 35-year-old home-care attendant, saw the prosecution through to the end because her husband denied he had done anything wrong and never showed remorse, said Martha Bashford, the prosecutor handling the case.

"I think she got very indignant at that," Ms. Bashford said.

Since the woman was a rape victim, her name was omitted from the court record. The victim has a different last name than her husband.

Mr. Santos, an unemployed guitar teacher, testified that his wife slipped and broke her ankle as she attacked him with a kitchen knife. He said that he delayed calling an ambulance for three hours, even though she claimed to be intense pain, because she was getting dressed and putting on her makeup.

"You know how women are," he said on the stand.

The victim testified that she and Mr. Santos had been married about a year when they became estranged and he moved out. Several days later, after her two young children by another man had left for school, her husband showed up at her door and began choking and pushing her. She fell, her leg folded awkwardly under her, and her ankle broke.

According to her testimony, Mr. Santos grabbed a kitchen knife and began yelling that it was too late for both of them and they both were going to die. He began to rip her clothes off, she said, but when she screamed in pain he ordered her to take them off. Then he sexually abused her. Throughout the ordeal, he was drinking alcohol and talking incoherently about their relationship.

At one point, Mr. Santos tried to stab her but she moved aside and the knife pierced the mattress. Then he broke down and asked her forgiveness. She finally convinced him to call an ambulance about 11:30 A.M., about three hours after she broke her ankle.

At Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center, the victim called a friend who worked for the Department of Correction. When the friend arrived, she got Mr. Santos to leave his wife's side and got a hospital social worker to interview the victim, prosecutors said.

"If he had been willing to admit what he had done and expressed remorse, she would have had a different view" about prosecuting, Ms. Bashford said. "But he kept saying it was her fault."

Mr. Santos faces a minimum of 4 1/2 to 9 years and a maximum of 12 1/2 to 25 years in prison when he is sentenced by Justice Franklyn R. Weissberg of State Supreme Court on Dec. 20.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2015 10:35 am
@bobsal u1553115,
His third reaction is to call you a crack whore.


That's when you know you've made it.
 

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