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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2015 10:45 am
@izzythepush,
Projection IS one of his stronger qualities.....
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2015 01:47 pm
It is alarming but not surprising how little study has been done on how people in the real world navigate sexual consent.
https://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/publications/observer/2014/december-14/blurred-concepts-of-consent.html

According to what little work has been done males tend to operate on a opt out consent model, which is men believe that we are free to make a move, this is we do until/unless we get rejection, where as women are more operating on verbal opt ins. Or at least this is the claim from journalists summarizing the results, and journalists have credibility problems in general and on talking about controversial subjects where the elite have taken a stand in particular.

I dont buy it though, in my experience women also operate on the opt out model, and are non verbal. And when I look at movies I see sex more often negotiated on the opt out model than the opt in, and as we all know Hollywood is a very liberal town, if we cant get hollywood to substantiate the feminist view does that mean that the feminists are full of it? And it is not just America, for instance I just watch Blue is the Warmest Color which is a French movie about young lesbians...with lots of sex, and I dont see the women using a lot of words, checking constantly about consent.

Interesting that in the link above we see that even today 75% of those women of college age who the elite say have been sexually assaulted deny the claim, they say they were not assaulted, and they generally say that both parties messed up with confused consent.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2015 02:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
from 2004

Quote:
Consent is a key issue in defining sexual coercion yet few researchers have analyzed sexual consent attitudes and behaviors and, to date, there has been no published research examining sexual consent within same-sex relationships. The main objective of this study was to identify which behaviors people use to ask for and to indicate sexual consent to their same-sex partner(s). A Same-Sex Sexual Consent Scale was developed to measure both initiating and responding consent behaviors in same-sex relationships. Data were collected using an on-line survey from 257 participants (127 men, 130 women). The participants reported using nonverbal behaviors significantly more frequently than verbal behaviors to indicate consent.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15305118
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2015 02:11 pm
@hawkeye10,
2007

Quote:
A few researchers have examined sexual consent behaviours and attempted to identify ways that consent is communicated. There have been four reportedstudies on sexual consent behaviours (Beres et al., 2004; Hall, 1998; Hickmanand Muehlenhard, 1999; Humphreys, 2005). All four studies suggested that non-verbal behaviours are used more frequently than verbal behaviours to com-municate consent. Hall’s findings suggest that consent for heterosexual sex isimplicit for many types of sexual activities, but is more likely to be communicat-ed explicitly for oral sex, sexual intercourse and the initiating sexual behaviour(e.g. kissing). Hickman and Muhlenhard (1999), and Beres et al. (2004) useddata-reduction techniques (principle components analysis and factor analysis,respectively) to determine the different types of behaviours used to indicate con-sent. Both groups asked participants to rate certain behaviours on the frequencythat they use them to ask for and indicate consent to their partner. The types of behaviours used to indicate sexual consent (as defined by the studies) includeddirect and indirect verbal and non-verbal cues, no response, the removal of cloth-ing and intoxication.These studies are an important first step in understanding how consent is com-municated. They are also useful for confirming that consent is often negotiatednon-verbally and indirectly. However, the findings from the existing studies werevoid of context. It is not understood when during sexual activity consent to sex iscommunicated (or if it is a continual process), or in what order behaviours areused. Nor is there any information on the number of behaviours required to per-ceive that consent has been communicated. Other contextual information, such asthe nature and status of the relationship, and time and place of the sexual activity,also likely play a role in the communication of consent, and have not beenaddressed by the current literature.In addition to the lack of contextual information, the studies presume that consent is separated into initiating and responding behaviours (Beres et al. 2004;Hickman and Muehlenhard, 1999). Both studies asked questions separately forbehaviours used when participants initiated sex, and for times when theyresponded to a partner’s initiation. This division is reminiscent of the gender rolesin the normative sexual script and constructs a version of consent whereby onepartner requests consent from the other partner who ‘gives’ consent. These studies do not take into consideration mutually initiated sexual activity, or thepossibility that the initiator role may change during sexual activity. For example,one person may initiate kissing, then the other initiates genital touching, or the removal of clothing. In this way, both partners are giving consent to partici-pate in the sexual activity and both are involved in beginning new types of activities.In order to begin tapping into the complexities of sexual negotiations and con-sent, qualitative researchers need to begin interrogating the concepts of consentand willingness to participate in sexual activity. Qualitative research allows for
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the integration of context with the findings and can present a more complex picture of sexual consent.

http://www.academia.edu/7481318/Spontaneous_Sexual_Consent_An_Analysis_of_Sexual_Consent_Literature
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2015 02:26 pm
I love the bad paternalism of the Feminist/state cooperative.....deciding off the top of their head what everyone should do, claiming that there is no doubt on the matter and that there can be no debate on the matter and that not doing what we are told is evil, then turning the screws with punishment if we dont do as we are told. And they made it all up, because they want what they want and they believe that they have the power to impose their will.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2015 03:56 pm
Jeeeeeez....... Where's carpfart and his spam thing?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2015 04:27 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Jeeeeeez....... Where's carpfart and his spam thing?

spam here being redefined as inconvenient truth.....
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2015 06:08 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
spam here being redefined as inconvenient truth.....


The only inconvenient truth, (as far as you're concerned anyway,) is that you're a ******* idiot.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2015 06:12 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:
spam here being redefined as inconvenient truth.....


The only inconvenient truth, (as far as you're concerned anyway,) is that you're a ******* idiot.


Maybe, but at least I have you beat by a country mile. As for others around here we too seldom see. The general practice here is to avoid anything that falls outside the boundaries of the established Group Think, put a phoney baloney label of garbage on the words/ideas and haul them out to the trash sight unseen , with a few outside ideas tolerated if they come from the right people. Defined as popular people. This quote is a good example. I make multiple large points backed up with evidence and it get ignored by all but one person who calls it spam. And an idiot, said even though I only show a small percentage of what I believe, show only a slight sliver of myself...online.

Who is the idiot again? It appears that you are confused. Again.
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2015 09:16 pm
@snood,
Two people sign a contract to have sex . That is marriage . The man in the instance you described is guilty of a serious assault . It is the feminists outrage and fear of a penis that leads to all this rubbish about rape in marriage . Of course lesbians dont want women penetrated..its their greatest fear and loathing . Dont you think assault laws are strong enough ?
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2015 09:17 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
C'mon bobsy...threaten me again . Very Happy
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 02:42 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Maybe, but at least I have you beat by a country mile.


As far as idiocy goes you've got most of the population beat.

Your selective mining of sources to justify rape is a futile attempt to fight against reality.

The sliver of yourself that you show us is so demonstrably wrong on so many things: Kim Jong Un, American bases in Bahrain, plane crashes, causes of Tottenham riots, the Eurozone, that it's just as well you don't inflict the full nature of your idiocy on "the collective."
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 12:48 pm
@Ionus,
Your marriage included an explicit agreement on sex? Was it on parchment or latex?

What are the details? Frequency? Acts?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 12:49 pm
@Ionus,
Whatever ARE you babbling about, junior?
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 06:22 pm
@izzythepush,
+12 vote for your head in the sand ignore anything your head does not want to deal with routine? How embarrassing, for A2k.

Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2015 08:05 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
In your feeble mind which is not getting any younger, you think marriage is about NOT having sex ? Did your marriage have an explicit agreement to not have sex ? Was it assumed by everyone at the ceremony that you would not be having sex ? If sex is not implied in marriage what is ?

You have fallen for the libbie bullshit where they will be defended and protected but if they dont want howwible, awful sex than they dont have to..after all, if they get a divorce it is not like the courts are going to assume she helped the man earn the income by supporting him, which includes sex . Obviously lesbians hate the idea of sex with men . Are you a lesbian too ?

If women get married so they can finally give their vagina a rest they should say so...
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 31 Jul, 2015 01:50 am
@hawkeye10,
Pointing out your stupidity seems to strike a chord. You could take it as a wake up call, or continue sticking your head in the sand and believe your own bullshit.

I'm betting it's the latter, your fragile ego couldn't survive the former.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 31 Jul, 2015 02:26 am
@hawkeye10,
The real scandal is unreported rapes, not the tiny amount of false rape accusations. You belittle the former and wildly exaggerate the latter. That's what you've been doing all along. You're not interested in debate, or the facts but in shocking (or at least attempting to shock) people. When people react you then think you're saying something relevant, but all you're doing is pandering to your own narcissistic impulses.

It's one thing bullshitting to others, but when you start believing your own bullshit all you're left with is fantasy.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 31 Jul, 2015 09:24 am
@izzythepush,
The real problem is that the law is abusive to males, and that law has been written without the least care of how humans negotiate for sex. The law inthis case has become a brutal tool of political activists. And the state deminishes itself by using its vaste powers to excercise this brutality.

As far as unreported rape goes, you cant expect people to report a crime to the state if they dont feel that the law represents reality. Which it does not, as it is a product of some combination of feminist fantasy and bullying. You also cant expect people to make a report if they dont feel it is in their best interests, or if they dont think the state will be fair. A lot of peoplevwho are actually victimzed sexually who do report are then abused again by the state. The collective has no right to demand a report under current conditions.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 31 Jul, 2015 09:40 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
As far as unreported rape goes, you cant expect people to report a crime to the state if they dont feel that the law represents reality. Which it does not, as it is a product of some combination of feminist fantasy and bullying.


What world do you live in? People don't report rape because they're worried they won't be believed, or don't want to relive the ordeal in court, not because they don't think a rape occurred.

You are deliberately distorting the truth to twist your own peculiar narrative. You are not representing the S&M community in this, due to the nature of what they get up to they tend to be very concerned that consent is obtained. You're the only member of that community who has such a relaxed attitude towards consent.

Feminist fantasy and bullying? You're having a laugh. You don't like the rape laws because they get in the way of what you want to do. And you're raising a dust cloud of lies, paranoia and innuendo to disguise your true purposes.
 

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