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America, how do you see America in the future

 
 
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 09:06 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Back on the drugs already?


Back to the trolling already?

And to think, you were doing so well.

Cycloptichorn


It would seem Roxy did the trolling. Did she add anything of substance to the debate? No she didn't, all she did was critize what Finn said.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 09:33 am
Baldimo wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Back on the drugs already?


Back to the trolling already?

And to think, you were doing so well.

Cycloptichorn


It would seem Roxy did the trolling. Did she add anything of substance to the debate? No she didn't, all she did was critize what Finn said.


Criticizing what someone has said is adding something to the debate. Criticizing a person directly, and not attempting to address the topic in any fashion, is Trolling.

Cycloptichorn
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HokieBird
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 10:08 am
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2765516#2765516

Troll.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 10:09 am
I could take issue with that, but it would devolve to the 'he did it first!' argument, and that's rather tiresome.

Instead, I'll simply ignore you.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 10:49 am
Yeah, ignoring your own hypocrisy is usually the right way to go.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 10:57 am
McGentrix wrote:
Yeah, ignoring your own hypocrisy is usually the right way to go.


You've displayed that quality pretty consistently in the past, so it's not surprising to see you state it out loud. Thanks for being honest.

Cycloptichorn
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 10:59 am
America was the Big Dog... still is, but it won't be for long. England's position faded, so will America's.


Welcome, China! Welcome, India!
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 08:31 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
Finn's post could make the NY Times Bestseller list for fiction if it were a book. On second thought, perhaps it deserves to be classified as humor.

Why so? All well and good to make the comment, but try and back it up with some detail if you can. Take each point and counter it, if you can.

Maybe Finn needs to spend less time with wealthy Aussies and more time in the real world. Why is it that everything that Finn writes seem to beg for the lead-in "Finn sniffs?"


Wealthy Aussies don't live in the real world? Wealthy and powerful people are not part of the real world? What is your definition of the Real World?

You don't like the style in which I write Roxy? Good Lord I am crushed! Sniff, sniff. Cool
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 08:33 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Good post Finn.


"Thank you McG." sniffs Finn.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 08:53 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
Like Finn sniffs, "Perhaps I'm wrong, but I doubt it. "

Or Finn sniffs, "Americans do not concern themselves with the doings of other nations to the same extent as the citizens of these nations concern themselves with the doings of America, because America is the Big Dog."

Or Finn sniffs, "without any doubt in the minds of serious thinkers..."

In other words, people who are smart as me.

Actually, in other words, people who are roughly as smart as me. Quite a large number of people by the way.

Or Finn sniffs "Come Jan 2009 the US will... have a new president occupying the White House. Can the same be said about Russia and its Kremlin? What about the rest of the world? "

Too bad we don't have a parliamentary style of gubmint, our long national nightmare would be over. Hmmm...not so fast, Bush has already stole two elections.

"Gubmint?" What new affectation of yours does this represent?

Are you suggesting that we will not have a new president in 2009?



Or Finn sniffs "In Australia, illegal immigrants (mostly muslim) are herded into containment camps. "

In the god old USA, we just throw em in good ole fashion jails although being confined in a tent in 110 degree Arizona heat is a loose description of a jail. If we had someone to uphold our Constitution that would be "cruel and unusual punishment." But, as serious thinkers know, our Constitution was piled onto the trash heap six years ago.

Well, jails are the generally accepted habitation for criminals.

There is no way that anyone who believes our constitution was "piled on the trash heap six years ago" can be taken seriously. I'm sorry if this offends you, but it is true. You can rant on and on in your hysterical and hyperbolic way, and since the Constitution has not been trashed, you will suffer no consequences as a result (and rightly so) but the ability to speak freely doesn't imply that what is spoken is to be taken seriously.


Finally Finn sniffs "The same thing goes for the Brits, the French, the Japanese et al. And if the citizens don't, the government had better."

Well Bunky, looks like we are screwed because in the good ole USA the government is the people, least it was up until the Bush-Cheney coup,

What are you actually trying to say here? it makes no sense.

and the people have ceded their power and their government to the thugs who currently occupy the White House. And although I am confident that the long national nightmare will end in 2009, I am not so naive as to count on it as a sure thing.

Sounds serious.

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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 08:56 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Back on the drugs already?


Back to the trolling already?

And to think, you were doing so well.

Cycloptichorn


It would seem Roxy did the trolling. Did she add anything of substance to the debate? No she didn't, all she did was critize what Finn said.


Criticizing what someone has said is adding something to the debate. Criticizing a person directly, and not attempting to address the topic in any fashion, is Trolling.

Cycloptichorn


By that definition, Roxy is a troll.

And by this definition, sniffs Finn, she is also a troll:

an imaginary creature of human-like form, very ugly and evil-tempered
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 08:59 pm
Rolling Eyes just a suggestion: if you people (all of you) want to call each other names, why not take it to PMs?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 09:13 pm
dagmaraka wrote:
America was the Big Dog... still is, but it won't be for long. England's position faded, so will America's.


Welcome, China! Welcome, India!


Well, it probably won't be The Big Dog for all time, but why should we believe it will be supplanted by China or India any time soon? Because they have lots and lots of people and Time magazines says so?

I get the impression from your post that you find it a good thing that China or India will replace America as The Big Dog; that you take some satisfaction in declaring that America won't be The Big Dog for long. If I'm remotely correct why is this the case? You live in Boston, but perhaps are not an American yourself. If you are an American, however, why would you prefer some other country to be The Big Dog?

On a level of pure self-interest this makes absolutely no sense.

On a level of altruism it doesn't make much sense either unless you seriously believe that the world will be a better place with China or India as the Big Dog. If you do, I would love to learn why you believe this to be the case.

I really don't understand the mindset of Americans who seemingly would greet the decline of their nation with glee. I'm not suggesting such folks are treasonous -- that would require a far sharper mind. It seems to me to be the mindset of pampered and petulant adolescents who get a strange and smug satisfaction when their parents lose the neighborhood contest for best landscaping.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 09:14 pm
dagmaraka wrote:
Rolling Eyes just a suggestion: if you people (all of you) want to call each other names, why not take it to PMs?


Fair comment.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 09:35 pm
That really was just your impression and assumption. Welcome China! merely means welcome to the world stage, among key players.

I don't welcome it with any glee, but I'm also not upset about it in any way. Our standard of living will not decline, our daily lives won't change.... Just as far as America's influence in the world economy and politis goes, that will gradually decline. Not immediately either, that's a matter of a number of decades.

So I don't see it as particularly good news or particularly bad news. It's not any news really. It's a speculation. We can't do more than that.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 09:44 pm
dagmaraka wrote:
That really was just your impression and assumption. Welcome China! merely means welcome to the world stage, among key players.

I don't welcome it with any glee, but I'm also not upset about it in any way. Our standard of living will not decline, our daily lives won't change.... Just as far as America's influence in the world economy and politis goes, that will gradually decline. Not immediately either, that's a matter of a number of decades.

So I don't see it as particularly good news or particularly bad news. It's not any news really. It's a speculation. We can't do more than that.


You predicted the continued ascendency of America "won't be for long."

By this you meant a number of decades? How many?

Are you saying that you did not suggest that China or India will become the next Big Dog? If so, who do you think will be? If you believe China or India will ascend to the top spot, why?
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 09:47 pm
Look at their economies, it's a trend. Each has a population of one billion and a GDP that's growing per year much faster than other economies.

Few decades, in human history, is but a flittering moment. So yes, I did mean it will happen in a short time and a few decades is what I consider a short time.

If I had any more precise predictions, believe me I would not be sitting here, but make a living out of it. These specualtions are only entertaining (to me) for a very short while. I don't see much use in it.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 09:54 pm
BBC had series this year called India Rising.

This is one of the articles:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6257057.stm

I think they had the same on China before...but it's enough to google India rising or China rising, there's so many materials out there online that I wouldn't even know where to begin linking.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 10:06 pm
New Americas will be born and old one will self-destruct it's the cycle of human nature/history.A people this materialistic, apathetic, addicted to vice, ignorant and spoiled cannot last too long.

It's darwinism. The American spirit is being reborn in other parts of the planet, The ghost of Tom Paine.

We are the English now. Fat and oblivious behind the castle walls playing with our cell phones.

I am an American wherever it may be. Tea parties in South America, in Iraq, in india.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 05:13 am
dagmaraka wrote:
Rolling Eyes just a suggestion: if you people (all of you) want to call each other names, why not take it to PMs?


I don't care, Finn calling me a troll reflects on him, not me.
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