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America, how do you see America in the future

 
 
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 09:06 am
FreeDuck wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Everyone is going to be brown!


Oh noooooooo! Shocked


I see this as a good thing. I'm already a light bown color so more people will look like me.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 09:11 am
Oh boy, Baldimo is trotting out his "i'm not white" bullshit again. Shall we rehearse the series of contradictory statements you have made on this subject, so as to demonstrate that at one time or the other, you were lying? Are you continuing to claim that because you're Italian, you're not white? What a crock.

I found it highly amusing that McWhitey thought everyone should respond to Baldimo's post. Not the the post of the author of the thread, but to Baldimo's post. Did god die and leave Baldimo in charge, or was it McWhitey?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 09:44 am
Baldimo wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Everyone is going to be brown!


Oh noooooooo! Shocked


I see this as a good thing. I'm already a light bown color so more people will look like me.


Alright. I read you wrong. You have my apologies.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 12:22 pm
I find it amusing that Setanta continues to prove his inability to read the written word and then gets prissy about it like a little girl.

Maybe a bottle of massengil will help him.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jul, 2007 12:30 pm
While Europeans Vacation, Americans Toil

WorkPlace: Shorter vacations, longer work weeks and skimpy sick leave for Americans add up -- not to greater upward mobility, but to a burned-out workforce earning less than preceding generations.

http://www.alternet.org/workplace/56523/
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Amigo
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2007 01:02 am
America, how do you see America in the future?

answer; From Canada.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2007 08:27 am
Yeah, I was going to say "in the rear view mirror" but thought it a little too flippant.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2007 01:48 pm
Merry Andrew wrote:
Right now, for example, it looks to me like the end of the USA as a republic and the strong likelihood of its turning into a dictatorial world empire. But, rationally, I realize I think that way now only because Bush is in the White House...


Given the expression of your current vision of America, there's something quite ironic about your use of the word "rationally" to characterize any realization you may have.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2007 01:54 pm
Amigo wrote:
America, how do you see America in the future?

answer; From Canada.


Why wait?

Au revoir.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2007 02:19 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Merry Andrew wrote:
Right now, for example, it looks to me like the end of the USA as a republic and the strong likelihood of its turning into a dictatorial world empire. But, rationally, I realize I think that way now only because Bush is in the White House...


Given the expression of your current vision of America, there's something quite ironic about your use of the word "rationally" to characterize any realization you may have.


I think I implied quite clearly in an earlier part of that same post that most predictions are quite irrational, based on the predictor's personal biases of the moment. I don't try to defend or justify any half-arsed predictions I may or may not have made. I will defend and try to justify my feelings but 'feelings' are not synonimous with 'predictions.'
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2007 02:28 pm
There are a number of possible events that be so disruptive as to derail America from any current trend, but barring the sort of catastrophe that threatens the stability of the nation, there are some general trends that should be worth a decent wager.

Progressive permissiveness. Society will need to be stood on its head for this trend to be reversed. The rate of progression may slow but it will continue.

Democracy. Despite the overheated visions of left-wing Cassandras, there is no reason to believe our democratic form of government is in peril. The checks and balances are too effective. The inertia of democratic rule is too strong. Look at what a president need only do to be labelled a tyrant. Imagine how the nation would react if a would-be dictator actually surfaced. The military may back a dictator in the event that the nation suffered an extreme catastrope, but never for simply political reasons.

Technology will have an ever accelerating, ever increasing impact on our society and the human experience and could (in the not so distant future) have the same disruptive impact of an extreme catastrophe.

One thing we can be sure of is that there will be developments that no one ever predicted.

I always found it amusing and instructive that the imaginative forces behind the original Star Trek were unable to predict digital displays.
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anton
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2007 07:06 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
There are a number of possible events that be so disruptive as to derail America from any current trend, but barring the sort of catastrophe that threatens the stability of the nation, there are some general trends that should be worth a decent wager.

Progressive permissiveness. Society will need to be stood on its head for this trend to be reversed. The rate of progression may slow but it will continue.

Democracy. Despite the overheated visions of left-wing Cassandras, there is no reason to believe our democratic form of government is in peril. The checks and balances are too effective. The inertia of democratic rule is too strong. Look at what a president need only do to be labelled a tyrant. Imagine how the nation would react if a would-be dictator actually surfaced. The military may back a dictator in the event that the nation suffered an extreme catastrope, but never for simply political reasons.

Technology will have an ever accelerating, ever increasing impact on our society and the human experience and could (in the not so distant future) have the same disruptive impact of an extreme catastrophe.

One thing we can be sure of is that there will be developments that no one ever predicted.

I always found it amusing and instructive that the imaginative forces behind the original Star Trek were unable to predict digital displays.


How can you speak of democracy in America when you have a government that spies on its own citizens and you have the intrusive Patriot Act and the State Secrets Protocol which effectively prevents whistle blowers from speaking up as in the case of the former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds?
President GW Bush has done more to besmirch the integrity of your once respected country than any other president in the history of the USA, his administration has reintroduced the barbaric practice of torture to the civilized world, something I never imagined in my wildest dreams would come out of the country the west admired and held in such high regard.
Today I read where your closest ally Great Britain is severing the close ties it has with your government and looking to an "international approach" to global problems; Americans need to face the truth about their standing in the eyes of the world if they want to rekindle the trust and respect they once had.

So much good came from the USA, now I see only paranoia and aggression; it is so sad!
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2007 09:40 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Democracy. Despite the overheated visions of left-wing Cassandras, there is no reason to believe our democratic form of government is in peril. The checks and balances are too effective. The inertia of democratic rule is too strong. Look at what a president need only do to be labelled a tyrant. Imagine how the nation would react if a would-be dictator actually surfaced. The military may back a dictator in the event that the nation suffered an extreme catastrope, but never for simply political reasons.


Hmmm. I agree that the military would not back a dictator for political reasons -- at least I can't see that happening. Alternatively, it is possible to get a military dictatorship without our military backing that dictator. A dictator might be backed by a mercenary army, and our own military might be too far away to do anything about it. Call me paranoid

However, I see the threat to Democracy more in terms of lack of participation of the populace and lack of accountability of and accessibility to government. A general feeling that the game is rigged and that the people don't have as much of a say as we think we do. I see real democracy giving way to the illusion of democracy. .

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Technology will have an ever accelerating, ever increasing impact on our society and the human experience and could (in the not so distant future) have the same disruptive impact of an extreme catastrophe.

One thing we can be sure of is that there will be developments that no one ever predicted.

I always found it amusing and instructive that the imaginative forces behind the original Star Trek were unable to predict digital displays.


Very astute.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 09:46 pm
Merry Andrew wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Merry Andrew wrote:
Right now, for example, it looks to me like the end of the USA as a republic and the strong likelihood of its turning into a dictatorial world empire. But, rationally, I realize I think that way now only because Bush is in the White House...


Given the expression of your current vision of America, there's something quite ironic about your use of the word "rationally" to characterize any realization you may have.


I think I implied quite clearly in an earlier part of that same post that most predictions are quite irrational, based on the predictor's personal biases of the moment. I don't try to defend or justify any half-arsed predictions I may or may not have made. I will defend and try to justify my feelings but 'feelings' are not synonimous with 'predictions.'


Fine Merry, but this has nothing to do with my post.

I couldn't care less what your predictions may be and whether or not they are accurate or rational.

My your own words you have expressed a belief in an entirely irrational perspective on America ("...the strong likelihood of it [America] turning into a dictatorial world empire").

Having made this preposterous comment, it is ironic that you would then lay claim to rational thinking (It's Bush made me do it!).

"I believe that demons and hellions are invading earth and will corrupt us all and insure that we end up in Hell!" But, rationally, I realize that I only think this way because Satan is influencing my thought..."
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 08:40 pm
anton wrote:

How can you speak of democracy in America when you have a government that spies on its own citizens and you have the intrusive Patriot Act and the State Secrets Protocol which effectively prevents whistle blowers from speaking up as in the case of the former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds?
President GW Bush has done more to besmirch the integrity of your once respected country than any other president in the history of the USA, his administration has reintroduced the barbaric practice of torture to the civilized world, something I never imagined in my wildest dreams would come out of the country the west admired and held in such high regard.
Today I read where your closest ally Great Britain is severing the close ties it has with your government and looking to an "international approach" to global problems; Americans need to face the truth about their standing in the eyes of the world if they want to rekindle the trust and respect they once had.

So much good came from the USA, now I see only paranoia and aggression; it is so sad!


How can I speak (or write to be more precise) about democracy in America? Quite easily and with great confidence.

I suppose that it is quite a testament to the high regard in which America is held around the world that any flaw it might display is seen as a base betrayal to freedom lovers everywhere.

Fair enough though. It is the only great democracy that was created on the basis of democratic principles, and it is a nation that prides itself on American Exceptionalism (and rightly so by the way). It is the Leader of The Free World and the sole Superpower on earth (and quite benign at that).

In the real world there are no saints, only the least of sinners. To expect perfection in any human endeavor is simply childish. America is, by no means, perfect, but it is the best of an imperfect lot. Each of the possible sins of America which you have chosen to exaggerate can be found in each and every other great democracy.

I have not read that the UK has decided to end its "special relationship" with the US and I seriously doubt this is the case, but if it is true it is hardly based on an aversion to American Big Brotherism. Cameras are perched throughout London like a flock of techno-grackles. Their Official Secrets Act is far more encompassing than any similar statute in the US, and...they have no Bill of Rights.

In France the government has ordained that muslim girls are not to wear the hijab to public schools, and families must choose the names for their children among a list of State approved monikers.

In Australia, illegal immigrants (mostly muslim) are herded into containment camps.

On and on and on....

Come Jan 2009 the US will, without any doubt in the minds of serious thinkers, have a new president occupying the White House. Can the same be said about Russia and its Kremlin? What about the rest of the world?

The actions of the Bush White House that you find so terrible have been approved by the majority of Americans. What you term spying on Americans, most of us here understand is a valuable program to monitor international calls that might be the first steps in plotting another 9/11.

Somehow I suspect that such a virulent critic of America is not so satisfied with democracy in his or her homeland of Australia. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

I travel to Australia with some regularity, and I have always found Australians to be overwhelmingly pro-American. Maybe I spend too much time with wealthy Australian capitalists, but I don't think so.

Frankly, if Australia and the rest of the world should think poorly of decisions America has made; of which I approve, I would not lose too much sleep.

Ultimately Australians worry about Australia, and rightly so. The same thing goes for the Brits, the French, the Japanese et al. And if the citizens don't, the government had better.

This may be perceived as arrogance, but it is merely realistic: Americans do not concern themselves with the doings of other nations to the same extent as the citizens of these nations concern themselves with the doings of America, because America is the Big Dog. When England was the Big Dog, it's citizens were blithely ignorant of the rest of the world.

If I were a British citizen it would probably tick me off that a government (American) over which I could exert no direct influence played such a large role in the fate of my country and my family. It's understandable but not compelling.

If "rekindling the trust and respect they (America) once had," means formulating our domestic and international policies to promote the interests and preferences of other nations, better it be left extinguished.

It's nice when everybody loves you, but it's not necessary.

America is a stalwart democracy and will, for reasons I have already enumerated, will remain as such for the foreseeable future.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2007 06:31 am
Good post Finn.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2007 07:05 am
Finn's post could make the NY Times Bestseller list for fiction if it were a book. On second thought, perhaps it deserves to be classified as humor.

Maybe Finn needs to spend less time with wealthy Aussies and more time in the real world. Why is it that everything that Finn writes seem to beg for the lead-in "Finn sniffs?"
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2007 07:15 am
Like Finn sniffs, "Perhaps I'm wrong, but I doubt it. "


Or Finn sniffs, "Americans do not concern themselves with the doings of other nations to the same extent as the citizens of these nations concern themselves with the doings of America, because America is the Big Dog."

Or Finn sniffs, "without any doubt in the minds of serious thinkers..."

In other words, people who are smart as me.

Or Finn sniffs "Come Jan 2009 the US will... have a new president occupying the White House. Can the same be said about Russia and its Kremlin? What about the rest of the world? "

Too bad we don't have a parliamentary style of gubmint, our long national nightmare would be over. Hmmm...not so fast, Bush has already stole two elections.

Or Finn sniffs "In Australia, illegal immigrants (mostly muslim) are herded into containment camps. "

In the god old USA, we just throw em in good ole fashion jails although being confined in a tent in 110 degree Arizona heat is a loose description of a jail. If we had someone to uphold our Constitution that would be "cruel and unusual punishment." But, as serious thinkers know, our Constitution was piled onto the trash heap six years ago.

Finally Finn sniffs "The same thing goes for the Brits, the French, the Japanese et al. And if the citizens don't, the government had better."

Well Bunky, looks like we are screwed because in the good ole USA the government is the people, least it was up until the Bush-Cheney coup, and the people have ceded their power and their government to the thugs who currently occupy the White House. And although I am confident that the long national nightmare will end in 2009, I am not so naive as to count on it as a sure thing.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2007 10:14 am
Back on the drugs already?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2007 10:17 am
McGentrix wrote:
Back on the drugs already?


Back to the trolling already?

And to think, you were doing so well.

Cycloptichorn
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