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VICTORY! Supreme Court Rejects School Race Plans

 
 
Wilso
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 08:37 am
Setanta wrote:
Only the Germans could paste together saw dust with blackstrap molasses and paving binder and call it "good bread." I suspect that the Germans are such naughty boys and girls that God has decided to punish them in perpetuity through the agency of their "cuisine."


Hey, we've got Vegemite (even if it is now owned by Americans).
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 10:01 am
Thomas wrote:
Joe Nation wrote:
The Chief (of course, I am a respecter of precedent)Justice apparently cannot decern the difference between a system (prior to Brown) which used race to EXCLUDE children and those systems which were part of the the present case which used race as one factor to INCLUDE children.

What makes you think there is a constitutionally relevant difference? Inclusive or exclusive, the Supreme Court's equal protection jurisprudence compels that every race-based legal distinction must be narrowly tailored to serve a compelling government interest. In your opinion, what government interest was at stake in this case? Why was it compelling? And how was the school district's policy narrowly tailored to achieve it?


This short quote from today's NYTimes says it well enough:
Quote:
The Supreme Court has often ordered schools to use race-conscious remedies, and it has unanimously held that deciding to make assignments based on race "to prepare students to live in a pluralistic society" is "within the broad discretionary powers of school authorities."

Now, it appears the Roberts court has said "Never mind. It's none of our business. Preparing students to live in a pluralistic society. Piffle. We don't live in a pluralistic society." And they, the five conservative justices voting in favor of this ruling don't, but we, the people, do.

And let's not forget that unlaying any compelling government interest is the compelling interest of the People. The American Government is not separate from the people, it is of the people.

It is in the best interests of all of the people, the government, that the education of our citizens be provided in such manner that every citizen can benefit without barriers. Achieving racial diversity, avoiding racial isolation and addressing the problem of de facto resegregation in schooling are all compelling interests that any school district ought to pursue as long as it does so through programs that are sufficiently "narrowly tailored." The tailoring in this case, at least for Roberts et al, was not the issue. They decided, despite decades of precedent, that race cannot be a factor in pursuing those interests.

Joe(Kind of like writing the rules for baseball without mentioning the ball.)Nation
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 10:07 am
old europe wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Among many more glaring examples of reprehensible public behavior (such as invading Poland at the drop of a hat), yes, Oktoberfest would be a good example.


So do you think that Americans who come to Germany and consume absolutely incredible amounts of beer do so in order to learn the art of invading-countries-at-the-drop-of-a-hat?


One mustn't assume that innocent travelers will automatically recognize all the dangers to which they unwittingly expose themselves--pickpockets, for example, would have no living. However, it is not entirely unreasonable. Perhaps i should investigate the tourism of the neo-cons and see what i come up with.

Naw . . . i'm too lazy.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 10:21 am
Setanta wrote:
Only the Germans could paste together saw dust with blackstrap molasses and paving binder and call it "good bread." I suspect that the Germans are such naughty boys and girls that God has decided to punish them in perpetuity through the agency of their "cuisine."


good luck to you and your stomach, bucko
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 10:42 am
As to a serious discussion...

Living in one of the fastest growing school districts in the country, and standing as the 8th fastest growing state for illegal immigrants, and being in the South... I agree with the decision.

(ducking - if you're gonna throw something at me make it bread and beer)

My understanding is that we have a hard enough time busing kids around to balance out a population percentage of free lunches. That is a nightmare on its own for th school board. The "race" box on the registration form is optional and clearly stated as such.

Once a population gets to the point where we are in Raleigh, where there is mixed affordable housing in most areas of the county, there isn't a major imbalance of race and kids should be able to attend their neighborhood school. Our "inner city" schools were made "Magnet Schools" years ago, so by application and choice, the racial balance there is maintained.
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michael1
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 10:43 am
Thomas wrote:
PS: Has anybody started a grown-up discussion about the decision itself yet somewhere? If so, I'd be grateful for a link, as I don't find it.


You haven't heard of any debates on the issue? For the last 40 - 50 years it has been almost a WAR over the issue.

Back in the 60's and 70's John Ashcroft was completely on the side OPPOSING the forced busing of poor black children into white neighborhoods. This has been such a major issue whole sections of states just up and left, moved 100 miles away from any non-white area so their children wouldn't be forced to be a minority elsewhere.


Didn't you hear about Little Rock Arkansas , the first school that was integrated by force, they had bring in the 101st Airborne US ARMY and use bayonets and kill some of the protectors that blocked the entrance to the first ever school integration in the 60's (not so long ago).

Over the last 40 years countless people such as John Ashcroft GROWNUPS have discussed the issue at length. Only now after 40-50 years of damage done to the young minds of blacks and whites equally, are they now not discriminating against both races. It is a good thing Bush & the supreme court took down the policy of turning away whites from being excluded from universities in favor of blacks, however there is still a RACIST policy of blacks getting jobs in favor of whites in the workplace called "Affirmative Action". Either way you look at it that is racism to prefer any race over the other in laws etc. Most companies run ads that just about say "if you're not white then dont apply"

People on here continually say , whites are NOTHING, whites are NOBODYS, whites are THE WORST. Well think of the backlash you would get if you continually called a black person a NOBODY, A NOTHING solely on the basis of his race. Equality is only decent & right. Whites aren't allowed any of our government funded Jesse Jacksons etc.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 10:53 am
michael1 wrote:
Thomas wrote:
PS: Has anybody started a grown-up discussion about the decision itself yet somewhere? If so, I'd be grateful for a link, as I don't find it.


You haven't heard of any debates on the issue? For the last 40 - 50 years it has been almost a WAR over the issue.

Back in the 60's and 70's John Ashcroft was completely on the side OPPOSING the forced busing of poor black children into white neighborhoods. This has been such a major issue whole sections of states just up and left, moved 100 miles away from any non-white area so their children wouldn't be forced to be a minority elsewhere.


Didn't you hear about Little Rock Arkansas , the first school that was integrated by force, they had bring in the 101st Airborne US ARMY and use bayonets and kill some of the protectors that blocked the entrance to the first ever school integration in the 60's (not so long ago).

Over the last 40 years countless people such as John Ashcroft GROWNUPS have discussed the issue at length. Only now after 40-50 years of damage done to the young minds of blacks and whites equally, are they now not discriminating against both races. It is a good thing Bush & the supreme court took down the policy of turning away whites from being excluded from universities in favor of blacks, however there is still a RACIST policy of blacks getting jobs in favor of whites in the workplace called "Affirmative Action". Either way you look at it that is racism to prefer any race over the other in laws etc. Most companies run ads that just about say "if you're not white then dont apply"

People on here continually say , whites are NOTHING, whites are NOBODYS, whites are THE WORST. Well think of the backlash you would get if you continually called a black person a NOBODY, A NOTHING solely on the basis of his race. Equality is only decent & right. Whites aren't allowed any of our government funded Jesse Jacksons etc.


Are you suggesting that integration was wrong in the 60's?

I can sort of understand a point that it may no longer be needed today, but in the 60's you're disagreeing with the decision?
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 10:58 am
What color white are you, Mike?

Are you the pale moon white or do you lean towards the ruddy sort?

Are there pinks and mottles of cream on your epidermis?

Are you more like a sheet of paper white?

Or are you less stark with hints, just hints, of sand and back garden pottery?

Does the sun turn you red as a beet. That could be troublesome.

Joe(Stay inside)Nation
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 11:03 am
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People on here continually say , whites are NOTHING, whites are NOBODYS, whites are THE WORST.


Rolling Eyes

Jeez, are you serious?

Cycloptichorn
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 11:04 am
Although Justice Kennedy concurred with the majority opinion, he disagreed in part and wrote a separate opinion:

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The decision today should not prevent school districts from continuing the important work of bringing together students of different racial, ethnic, and economic backgrounds. Due to a variety of factors -- some influenced by government, some not -- neighborhoods in our communities do not reflect the diversity of our Nation as a whole.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 11:11 am
Hilarious Joe, respect to you . . .

Maporche, with his very first thread at this site, Michael made it clear that he is opposed to the "mixing" of the races. It is far worse than the posts in this thread might lead you to believe.

For those who are interested in a serious discussion of this decision, free of the hilarity and disgust generated by the racist screeds which Michael habitually posts, Aunt Bee has started a thread on this topic.
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michael1
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 03:36 am
maporsche wrote:
michael1 wrote:
Thomas wrote:
PS: Has anybody started a grown-up discussion about the decision itself yet somewhere? If so, I'd be grateful for a link, as I don't find it.


You haven't heard of any debates on the issue? For the last 40 - 50 years it has been almost a WAR over the issue.

Back in the 60's and 70's John Ashcroft was completely on the side OPPOSING the forced busing of poor black children into white neighborhoods. This has been such a major issue whole sections of states just up and left, moved 100 miles away from any non-white area so their children wouldn't be forced to be a minority elsewhere.


Didn't you hear about Little Rock Arkansas , the first school that was integrated by force, they had bring in the 101st Airborne US ARMY and use bayonets and kill some of the protectors that blocked the entrance to the first ever school integration in the 60's (not so long ago).

Over the last 40 years countless people such as John Ashcroft GROWNUPS have discussed the issue at length. Only now after 40-50 years of damage done to the young minds of blacks and whites equally, are they now not discriminating against both races. It is a good thing Bush & the supreme court took down the policy of turning away whites from being excluded from universities in favor of blacks, however there is still a RACIST policy of blacks getting jobs in favor of whites in the workplace called "Affirmative Action". Either way you look at it that is racism to prefer any race over the other in laws etc. Most companies run ads that just about say "if you're not white then dont apply"

People on here continually say , whites are NOTHING, whites are NOBODYS, whites are THE WORST. Well think of the backlash you would get if you continually called a black person a NOBODY, A NOTHING solely on the basis of his race. Equality is only decent & right. Whites aren't allowed any of our government funded Jesse Jacksons etc.


Are you suggesting that integration was wrong in the 60's?

I can sort of understand a point that it may no longer be needed today, but in the 60's you're disagreeing with the decision?


I'm offended by the integration. Are you offended by it or are you suggesting integration was right in the 60's? The skyrocketing crime , drugs and STDS, high school dropouts & disorder being your evidence it was right?
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 03:43 am
Heh heh. Mikey my boy you crack me up.
All this time conservatives have been telling me that all the -what was it?- "The skyrocketing crime , drugs and STDS, high school dropouts & disorder" were the fault of the hedonism.

Now here you are, and can prove I guess, that they were all the result of that black girl sitting next to your father in high school.

Joe(was it jungle fever?)Nation
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 08:58 am
I think it was the exposure of those sweet, innocent white virgins to "boogie-woogie" music . . . it bypassed the brain, and went straight from the ears to the clitoris . . . it was all over then . . .
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michael1
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 09:50 am
Joe Nation wrote:
Heh heh. Mikey my boy you crack me up.
All this time conservatives have been telling me that all the -what was it?- "The skyrocketing crime , drugs and STDS, high school dropouts & disorder" were the fault of the hedonism.

Now here you are, and can prove I guess, that they were all the result of that black girl sitting next to your father in high school.

Joe(was it jungle fever?)Nation


I think it was more heathenism than hedonism, PAGANISM is a better word, a complete rebellion from God's laws. Now the big one is homosexual Pastors and giving a big blessing on Homosexual Marriages in front of the church for all our children to think it is a good thing to do. Adulterators dont ask for such a blessing on their sins, to go up in front of the whole church for the Pastor to bless their sin, no, it is always to be condemned. Yet you backwards thinkers will rush to call me names for speaking the truth. Fine feed us all to the lions for having beliefs & morals. We're not to expect better treatment than Jesus received.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 09:56 am
michael1 wrote:
Fine feed us all to the lions for having beliefs & morals. We're not to expect better treatment than Jesus received.


Michael, you are not living according to the bible. You have just spouted off judgement after judgement on people who do not hold your faith, and even those who do.

At least you're prepared with your sword of god and the cross/shield to protect you. How 13th centuary of you.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 09:57 am
This guy is highlarious . . .

Adulterators ? ! ? ! ?

People who introduce impurities into commercial products?

I wonder if there may not be a direct inverse correlation between crackpot ideas and coherent use of the English language.
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michael1
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 02:40 pm
Setanta, I was talking about Marital Adultery.

maporsche wrote:
michael1 wrote:
Fine feed us all to the lions for having beliefs & morals. We're not to expect better treatment than Jesus received.


Michael, you are not living according to the bible. You have just spouted off judgement after judgement on people who do not hold your faith, and even those who do.

At least you're prepared with your sword of god and the cross/shield to protect you. How 13th centuary of you.


What judgements have I spouted off? The daily news? Quoting their anti-Christian religion. They dont believe Jesus is GOD, that's their religion. Christians worship a different God JESUS , who we believe created the heavens & earth. There's nothing condemning about that. I just dont think we should be letting the "guest workers" that were allowed to come to Europe to stay if they keep bombing our country in the name of enforcing their religion as the law over us.

It's not biblical to judge? "he that is spiritual judgeth all things" 1Corinthians 2:15

Ya the first crusades were started , only because all of Eastern Europe was conquered and enslaved under Islam. All the Christian lands became overran, much like is beginning to happen today.

Maybe you're blind to see that if Muslims burn down 10,000 cars in France, and all the French SURRENDER and just change their laws and make life for them easier, that the Muslims WON that battle. (call that statement judgemental if you wish!)
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 02:51 pm
yada
yada yada
yada yada yada.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2007 03:54 pm
Whites are B-a-a-ad-d.
Whites are the worst!
Whites are de scum o' de earth!!!!

Boogah Boogah!!!!!!
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