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The Kobe Debacle

 
 
Noddy24
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 12:03 pm
My guess--and it is a guess--is that the Wronged Woman agreed to sex, enthusiastic sex, perhaps even being willing to incur a few bruises.

Kobe participated--and then fell down badly on any romantic afterplay.

Sports groupies are willing to hop into bed with sports figures--but they hope for some vestige of romance, some memory of an enchanted evening with a celebrity.

Remember the mess William Kennedy Smith got himself into in Florida when he made it clear to his pick-up bedmate that she was only a one night stand?

"Nor hath hell fury like a woman scorned."

Perhaps she wasn't raped--just treated like an amateur whore and she resented this treatment.
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eoe
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 12:38 pm
That's what I always suspected about the Mike Tyson case as well. His lack of afterplay left her feeling used. Who goes to a mans' hotel room in the middle of the night wearing jammies with the intent to "just talk"?

With Kobe, where did this assault take place? Did he just grab her and drag her into a room?
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 12:45 pm
Unless evidence to the contrary is revealed, I think Noddy's right.
These guys ought to start getting signed consent forms before all extramarital sex. (Of course, the girl wouldn't get a copy. :wink: I'd messenger it straight to my lawyer....)

HEY!! But we haven't talked about the drugs they found. A TV head said the amount was so large they may get him on a heftier charge. Didn't say what drug it was...

Me thinks he's in heap big trouble--no matter how you slice it.
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BillW
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 01:04 pm
Sofia wrote:
Unless evidence to the contrary is revealed, I think Noddy's right.


And everyone will be wronged. Get on the train - pay for the ride!
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fealola
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 01:07 pm
Sofia wrote:
Unless evidence to the contrary is revealed, I think Noddy's right.
These guys ought to start getting signed consent forms before all extramarital sex. (Of course, the girl wouldn't get a copy. :wink: I'd messenger it straight to my lawyer....)

HEY!! But we haven't talked about the drugs they found. A TV head said the amount was so large they may get him on a heftier charge. Didn't say what drug it was...

Me thinks he's in heap big trouble--no matter how you slice it.



Wo, that's a new one to me! Hadn't he just checked in 20 minutes prior?
Get's busy fast doesn't he.

Also not mentioned here that I saw, was that i heard that Newsweek will report that wife recently threw him out.! Just an interesting tid bit!
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 01:10 pm
Has anybody heard of what drugs Kobe (allegedly) had?
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jjorge
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 01:12 pm
I suppose all this speculation and fantasy is natural. After all, nature abhors a vacuum.

Still, too often we get carried away with it.

I have already heard and seen numerous people saying 'I think he's guilty' or 'I think it was consensual' etc.

I'm sorry if I seem like a pedantic spoil-sport, but we should not dignify our fantasy, speculation, or hunches (whatever THEY are) even by calling them opinion when we don't have the facts to support any one scenario over another.

-jjorge (your official A2K the wet blanket)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 01:13 pm
We can speculate all day long, but the facts will probably never be known. I won't even speculate about "grupies" and how they are prone to make themselves available to big stars and athletes, because we just don't know if this woman had the street smarts to know better. Innocence doesn't make her guilty of anything. c.i.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 01:16 pm
Well, since this happened to/with Boris Becker some years ago
Russian model gets Becker cash,
I nearly belief everything!
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 01:23 pm
jjorge-- You are correct when you say we don't have ANY REAL information to form an opinion with--

It is just an issue in the news, and I think most participants here are just discussing it from all angles. I have been more than a little surprised at a very few, really condemning comments-- Shocked

The wider reality of 'groupies' and pro athlete violence and sex abuse charges are interesting issues, to me. As well as proving rape, or proving consent.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 01:26 pm
jjorge got it on the money on this one! c.i.
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jjorge
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 01:51 pm
Sofia wrote:
jjorge-- You are correct when you say we don't have ANY REAL information to form an opinion with--

It is just an issue in the news, and I think most participants here are just discussing it from all angles. I have been more than a little surprised at a very few, really condemning comments-- Shocked

The wider reality of 'groupies' and pro athlete violence and sex abuse charges are interesting issues, to me. As well as proving rape, or proving consent.



Sofia,

I think the reason I made such an issue of this because my observation over the years is that there seems to be a tendency of hunches, fantasies, unsupported opinions (or whatever you want to call them) to have a life of their own and evolve, even without the accrual of additional data, to greater and greater levels of 'certitude'.

One somewhat related example of this is from my work experience.I work for a mental health agency and see many people in crisis. If a patient states that they have been clean and sober for two years.I accept and record it that way: " patient STATES THAT..etc... " If a relative or friend reports that patient is compliant with there medication, I record it that way: "relative REPORTS that...etc..."

That may seem like a small point but too often I have seen those reports recorded as FACT not as REPORT and then seen them proven to be untrue.

When an erroneous report or opinion or even a hunch congeals in a medical record into "FACT" it can do serious harm., and once any spurious 'fact' has been engraved on our life's resume', it can be nearly impossible to erase it.
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 01:57 pm
Here is my zwei pfennigs:

There is no one, repeat no one that is allowed in the "Kobe space" who Kobe does not want in there.

That's the first thing.

He wants a bite of the forbidden apple, he has to pay the consequences.

I bet now he wishes he just got a hooker instead.

It would have cost him several millions of dollars less.........
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 03:30 pm
Wow, I had no idea of any drugs, or any story about Kobe's wife throwing him out - JUICY STUFF! Oh, ahem, I mean I have to get busy researching those things to become aprised of the latest... Twisted Evil
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 03:35 pm
Yes. Let's not enjoy this information. :wink:

You know, the only reference to the drugs I saw, was the guy explaining the charges when the announcement was made on TV. I've searched far and wide for print info on the drugs--and can't find any...

Also, wifey looked like she was in for the long haul. Haven't heard she would change that stance. She is lovely. My daughter said, "Why would a man cheat with such a beautiful wife." Sad convo, that. Crying or Very sad
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JJ
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 03:39 pm
fealola wrote:
Sofia wrote:
Unless evidence to the contrary is revealed, I think Noddy's right.
These guys ought to start getting signed consent forms before all extramarital sex. (Of course, the girl wouldn't get a copy. :wink: I'd messenger it straight to my lawyer....)

HEY!! But we haven't talked about the drugs they found. A TV head said the amount was so large they may get him on a heftier charge. Didn't say what drug it was...

Me thinks he's in heap big trouble--no matter how you slice it.



Wo, that's a new one to me! Hadn't he just checked in 20 minutes prior?
Get's busy fast doesn't he.

Also not mentioned here that I saw, was that i heard that Newsweek will report that wife recently threw him out.! Just an interesting tid bit!


Maybe she was a Hotel Maid, who just happened to come in to make up the bed and leave a "little snow" on the pillows...Was her name Snow White? Razz
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JJ
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 03:40 pm
What's this woman look like? Twisted Evil
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 03:44 pm
sofia - that Kobe is worth several hundreds of millions makes me look a little askance at any woman's "undying devotion".... sorry, I'm just a bitter, jaded old man I guess...
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BillW
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 03:49 pm
Sofia wrote:
"Why would a man cheat with such a beautiful wife."


The thrill of the chase, the capture, and the "extra" things one can do to the capturee!
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JJ
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2003 03:55 pm
He found someone else "more beautiful".
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