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Federal ID: The "Real-ID" ?

 
 
OGIONIK
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 09:13 am
sorry if i did ask a question already answered, there are so many posts i usually just go to the end of the arguments of posts ive read and i forget the original posters comments Sad
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 09:15 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Employers could get an immediate mini-background check with an ID card and have a fighting chance to not endanger kids with a sex offender. It would also make identify theft more difficult to accomplish and make it far more difficult for identity thieves to profit from that kind of activity....


If such really would be possible with an ID-card, I would oppose it strongly - and we have got them here since 70 years.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 09:24 am
As an aside: until 1990 everyone without an ID in all four sectors in Berlin could have been executed according to Allied Law.

(That never happened, though.)
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USAFHokie80
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 09:26 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Employers could get an immediate mini-background check with an ID card and have a fighting chance to not endanger kids with a sex offender. It would also make identify theft more difficult to accomplish and make it far more difficult for identity thieves to profit from that kind of activity....


If such really would be possible with an ID-card, I would oppose it strongly - and we have got them here since 70 years.



Why on earth would this be a bad thing??? I suppose if you are sex offender or convited felon, it would be bad...
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 09:30 am
I have to agree with Walter on this one.

It should be a valid form of ID, period. No other information regarding background should be made available other then to officials that would need access to such information (i.e. police).
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 09:31 am
Because I don't want my data to be known - besides when I decide to do so - to everyone.

Employers (can) get here a "Certificate of No Criminal Record".
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 09:39 am
McGentrix wrote:
I have to agree with Walter on this one.

It should be a valid form of ID, period. No other information regarding background should be made available other then to officials that would need access to such information (i.e. police).
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 09:41 am
That was exactly the reason why ID-cards were introduced by the Nazis here. And instead of scarlet letter they took a yellow star.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 09:42 am
But that was not to identify people based on the crimes they had committed. It was to identify people based on their race or religion or who they are. That is not the same thing.
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USAFHokie80
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 09:44 am
For the record, criminal acts and charges are public information. I can look you up and see what you've done if I wanted to. Actually, if you want, you can go to Virginia's website and look up the 4 tickets I've got. They're all on there.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 09:48 am
Foxfyre wrote:
But that was not to identify people based on the crimes they had committed. It was to identify people based on their race or religion or who they are. That is not the same thing.


It was part of the criminal judicature.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 09:48 am
USAFHokie80 wrote:
For the record, criminal acts and charges are public information. I can look you up and see what you've done if I wanted to. Actually, if you want, you can go to Virginia's website and look up the 4 tickets I've got. They're all on there.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 09:50 am
USAFHokie80 wrote:
For the record, criminal acts and charges are public information. I can look you up and see what you've done if I wanted to. Actually, if you want, you can go to Virginia's website and look up the 4 tickets I've got. They're all on there.


That's different here.

Well, in that case ...
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 09:54 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
But that was not to identify people based on the crimes they had committed. It was to identify people based on their race or religion or who they are. That is not the same thing.


It was part of the criminal judicature.


But the people were not criminals. We either trust our government to uphold the Constitution or we don't. The people in power, law enforcement, military etc. can strip us of our rights and privileges on any whim they choose and for any reason they choose. The only thing that prevents that is the collective will to abide by the law and uphold our Constitution as best as we can. And that would apply to a national ID card as much as it applies to passports or any other form of government issued identification/permissions/authority or whatever.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 09:54 am
I see that as open door for all kinds of discrimination.

You realize that if an 18 year old is convicted of having sex with a 17 year old they are considered a sex offender. Should that person have to carry that around with them for the rest of their lives? What kind of life do you envision for those who can never escape their past?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 09:57 am
FreeDuck wrote:
I see that as open door for all kinds of discrimination.

You realize that if an 18 year old is convicted of having sex with a 17 year old they are considered a sex offender. Should that person have to carry that around with them for the rest of their lives? What kind of life do you envision for those who can never escape their past?
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USAFHokie80
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 10:16 am
Foxfyre wrote:
USAFHokie80 wrote:
For the record, criminal acts and charges are public information. I can look you up and see what you've done if I wanted to. Actually, if you want, you can go to Virginia's website and look up the 4 tickets I've got. They're all on there.




yeah foxy, i'm on your side for this.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 10:22 am
Foxfyre wrote:
There are some forms of discrimination that are not only moral but necessary in a free society.


Well, you see, and in that case we have our constitution (and the constitutional court) which doesn't allow it.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 10:23 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
There are some forms of discrimination that are not only moral but necessary in a free society.


Well, you see, and in that case we have our constitution (and the constitutional court) which doesn't allow it.


Well I'm happy to know that you don't discriminate against sex offenders and habitual drunk drivers in Germany, Walter. I'll have to rethink visiting there when we go to Europe next year, however.
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USAFHokie80
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 10:29 am
FreeDuck wrote:
I see that as open door for all kinds of discrimination.

You realize that if an 18 year old is convicted of having sex with a 17 year old they are considered a sex offender. Should that person have to carry that around with them for the rest of their lives? What kind of life do you envision for those who can never escape their past?


while i disagree with the law, the convictionn is still public domain and as such, they shouldn't be able to escape from their past.

what about murderers? should they be able to escape?
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