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Democratic achievements in Congress

 
 
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2007 05:56 am
Advocate wrote:
Just watch!! Bush will take credit for the minimum wage hike.

The Dems just commenced hearings on the maltreatment, or nontreatment, of soldiers and vets suffering from mental illness. The revelations are pretty chilling.


Of course Bush will take the credit,he is the President and it happened under his watch.
And according to some on here,he deserves to take the credit.
After all,there are a few on here that have said that since he is the President,he is responsible for EVERYTHING that happens under his admin.

So,using that logic he can take the credit for the minimum wage hike.

BTW,I do not buy that arguement.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2007 09:43 am
I never heard of the rule that the Prez gets credit for everything that happens during his administration. The rule is pretty silly, as illustrated in this case. The bill was pushed by the Dems, and Bush tried to kill it by attaching a demand for attached additional deficit tax cuts. However, he is now reluctantly willing to sign on because the poor are getting killed with the high gas and housing prices.

But if you insist that the Prez gets the credit, so be it.
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CowDoc
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2007 11:48 am
If I were the Prez, I sure as hell wouldn't take credit for a minimum wage hike that simply encourages illegal immigration and puts more pressure on production industries already caught in an energy crunch. Should we put minimum prices on commodities? How much do you want to pay for food? A minimum wage is always quickly reflected in the price of services and manufactured goods, but raw materials are at the mercy of the marketplace.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2007 12:05 pm
Past minimum wage increases have not caused any economic downturn. Moreover, half the people affected are adults, and it is cruel to pay them slave wages. As for immigrants, I doubt that an increase would affect the situation.

I guess the price of a burger will go up about a nickel. Big deal!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2007 12:47 am
This isn't exactly the topic but closely connected ...

Edging Away From Inner Circle, Pelosi Asserts Authority


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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 07:54 am
How Labor Rules
By Robert Novak

Ignoring pleas from outraged South American governments, Democratic leadership of the House this week was adamant about Congress going into its August recess without taking action on free trade agreements with Peru and Panama as promised. Instead, two senior Democratic House members appear determined to travel to those two rare Latin American friends of the United States, to hector them into passing domestic legislation as a prerequisite for approving already negotiated bilateral trade pacts.

Why did House Speaker Nancy Pelosi renege on her previous commitment? She dances to the tune of AFL-CIO President John Sweeney, who preaches outright protectionism. Hostility toward not only the Peru and Panama pacts but also a vital agreement with Colombia can be traced to influence on U.S. unions by South America's leftist labor leaders, originating in Hugo Chavez's Venezuela.
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Beyond U.S. unpopularity in the Western Hemisphere, this exposes deeper problems for the new Democratic majority in Congress. While the AFL-CIO's authority is diminished in the labor movement and among the nation's workers, its chief rules in Congress. Democrats bowed to Sweeney's wishes in voting to end secret ballots in union recognition elections, but the more audacious demonstration of labor's influence on Capitol Hill was getting the House leadership to renege on a bipartisan deal affecting world trade.

That deal seemed too good to be true May 10 when it was unveiled. On that date, House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel and his trade subcommittee chairman, Rep. Sander Levin, announced approval of labor and environmental provisions in the Peru and Panama trade pacts. Their statement also opened the door to possible future approval of the Colombian trade agreement.

Organized labor did not wait long to be heard from. On the next day, May 11, Sweeney issued a statement indicating that the labor and environmental guarantees agreed to by Rangel were not adequate. He contended "the agreement fails to adequately address issues related to the outsourcing of U.S. jobs and the ability of foreign corporations to challenge U.S. laws." Sweeney dismissed the negotiated agreement with Colombia, this country's best ally in South America, as "a flawed agreement with a gross human rights violator."

Sweeney makes life difficult for Rangel, who seeks a record of achievement in the chairmanship for which he waited so many years. But when labor commands, Sandy Levin obeys. When I met him in the 1970s, Levin was a high-minded liberal as a party and legislative leader and candidate for governor of Michigan. In Congress, he is an errand boy for organized labor who on June 18 withdrew previous support for trade agreements.

The shocker came June 29 as Congress cleared out of Washington for the Fourth of July holiday. Pelosi announced that Rangel and presumably Levin would be off to Peru and Panama to demand new changes in their labor laws as payment for the negotiated trade agreements. She rejected the Colombian pact out of hand.

U.S. Trade Representative Susan Schwab, a former Senate staffer, usually treats Congress with care -- but not in a July 6 letter to Pelosi: "Unilaterally requiring another sovereign country to change its domestic laws before the U.S. approves a trade agreement would be a fundamental break with U.S. laws, policy and practice. No past administration or Congress -- Democratic or Republican -- has taken such a step. Nor would the United States agree to such a procedure if demanded by another nation."

Schwab's strong words had no effect. Nor did protests from Peru's President Alan Garcia and Colombia's President Alvaro Uribe. Democratic leaders are impervious to the reality that Colombia, Peru and Panama now enjoy one-way trade access to the United States, whereas the agreements would open their markets to U.S. goods. Nor do the Democrats show concern about alienating Uribe and Garcia as Hugo Chavez's menace spreads through the hemisphere.

Sweeney's marching orders are not limited to Latin America. He dismisses the negotiated agreement that finally would open South Korea to U.S. autos as "a losing, one-sided agreement." Obediently, House Democratic leaders declared the Korean pact dead on arrival. At least, Charlie Rangel and Sandy Levin are not headed off to scold in Seoul -- not yet, anyway.
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HokieBird
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 09:11 am
New poll from Zogby

An even bigger majority, 83 percent, say the Democratic-controlled Congress is doing only a fair or poor job -- the worst mark for Congress in a Zogby poll.

In the national survey of 1,012 likely voters, taken July 12 through July 14, about 66 percent said Bush had done only a fair or poor job as president, with 34 percent ranking his performance as excellent or good.

That is up slightly from his low of 30 percent in early March and in line with other national polls showing Bush's approval ratings lingering at or near historically low levels amid continued chaos and bloodshed in Iraq.

But the marks for Congress, mired in gridlock over a series of partisan political battles after Democrats took power in the 2006 elections, continued to drop.

While 83 percent said Congress was doing a fair or poor job, just 14 percent rated it excellent or good. Last October, in its final days, the Republican-led Congress earned ratings of excellent or good from 23 percent of voters.

"There is a growing sense that people voted for change in 2006 and they aren't getting it," Zogby said
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 10:43 am
the democratic congress is actively TRYING to make important changes and extricate us from Iraq. the glass is half full.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 03:28 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
the democratic congress is actively TRYING to make important changes and extricate us from Iraq. the glass is half full.


TRYING isnt good enough.
THe dems almost guaranteed that they would get their agneda,including getting the US out of Iraq,within the first 100 working days.

Why havent they?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 03:32 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
the democratic congress is actively TRYING to make important changes and extricate us from Iraq. the glass is half full.


TRYING isnt good enough.
THe dems almost guaranteed that they would get their agneda,including getting the US out of Iraq,within the first 100 working days.

Why havent they?


The Dems never 'almost guaranteed' that we would get out of Iraq in the first 100 days. Not even close. But they guaranteed they would work on it.

The Dems in the house outlined a set of goals for the first 100 days, and accomplished all of them; that is, they passed legislation on all of them. The Senate, however, has not.

Cycloptichorn
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 03:46 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
the democratic congress is actively TRYING to make important changes and extricate us from Iraq. the glass is half full.


TRYING isnt good enough.
THe dems almost guaranteed that they would get their agneda,including getting the US out of Iraq,within the first 100 working days.

Why havent they?


The Dems never 'almost guaranteed' that we would get out of Iraq in the first 100 days. Not even close. But they guaranteed they would work on it.

The Dems in the house outlined a set of goals for the first 100 days, and accomplished all of them; that is, they passed legislation on all of them. The Senate, however, has not.

Cycloptichorn


If the dems in the Senate have not passed the legislation,what does that say.

Does it mean the Senate dems dont agree with the house,or that the dems in the Senate are so weak they cant get what they want.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 03:48 pm
mysteryman wrote:

If the dems in the Senate have not passed the legislation,what does that say.

Does it mean the Senate dems dont agree with the house,or that the dems in the Senate are so weak they cant get what they want.


Can you really think of no other options besides the two you listed?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 03:49 pm
maporsche wrote:
mysteryman wrote:

If the dems in the Senate have not passed the legislation,what does that say.

Does it mean the Senate dems dont agree with the house,or that the dems in the Senate are so weak they cant get what they want.


Can you really think of no other options besides the two you listed?


No,I cant.
The dems claim to represent the "will of the people",but they cant seem to get anything passed.
Yet they claim that the people want all of these things to pass.

So,either the Senate dems are to weak to get things passed,or they simply dont want to,for whatever reason.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 04:04 pm
mysteryman wrote:
maporsche wrote:
mysteryman wrote:

If the dems in the Senate have not passed the legislation,what does that say.

Does it mean the Senate dems dont agree with the house,or that the dems in the Senate are so weak they cant get what they want.


Can you really think of no other options besides the two you listed?


No,I cant.
The dems claim to represent the "will of the people",but they cant seem to get anything passed.
Yet they claim that the people want all of these things to pass.

So,either the Senate dems are to weak to get things passed,or they simply dont want to,for whatever reason.


When you say 'too weak' to get things passed, what do you mean?

The Republicans have made it clear that they won't pass any Dem bill that they don't absolutely have to. How are the Dems 'weak?'

Should they change the rules of the Senate, now that the Republicans are in the minority? Would you call that 'strong?' In the House, the Dems have something like a 25 seat advantage. In the Senate, they have a one seat advantage and that's not good enough to overcome filibusters. The Republicans have filibustered every bill having to do with Iraq. What the hell do you expect the Senate Dems to do?

In fact, Reid has said that until they get votes on the amendments to the defense authorization bill, they aren't passing any bill at all. It seems you are going to get your wish.

Be honest. What you really are looking for is some ammunition to use against dems in the next election. You call them 'weak' for not passing legislation to pull us out of Iraq, but if they did, you would still refer to them as 'weak' for passing that same legislation.

Cycloptichorn
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 04:08 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
maporsche wrote:
mysteryman wrote:

If the dems in the Senate have not passed the legislation,what does that say.

Does it mean the Senate dems dont agree with the house,or that the dems in the Senate are so weak they cant get what they want.


Can you really think of no other options besides the two you listed?


No,I cant.
The dems claim to represent the "will of the people",but they cant seem to get anything passed.
Yet they claim that the people want all of these things to pass.

So,either the Senate dems are to weak to get things passed,or they simply dont want to,for whatever reason.


When you say 'too weak' to get things passed, what do you mean?

The Republicans have made it clear that they won't pass any Dem bill that they don't absolutely have to. How are the Dems 'weak?'

Should they change the rules of the Senate, now that the Republicans are in the minority? Would you call that 'strong?' In the House, the Dems have something like a 25 seat advantage. In the Senate, they have a one seat advantage and that's not good enough to overcome filibusters. The Republicans have filibustered every bill having to do with Iraq. What the hell do you expect the Senate Dems to do?

In fact, Reid has said that until they get votes on the amendments to the defense authorization bill, they aren't passing any bill at all. It seems you are going to get your wish.

Be honest. What you really are looking for is some ammunition to use against dems in the next election. You call them 'weak' for not passing legislation to pull us out of Iraq, but if they did, you would still refer to them as 'weak' for passing that same legislation.

Cycloptichorn


Nope,I call them weak because if they truly were representing the people,they would be able to get things passed,over repub objections.
They would find a way to get things done.
They havent done so,so that makes them weak,IMHO.

And I would and have said the same things about the repubs when they allowed the dems to block bills.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 04:11 pm
Quote:

Nope,I call them weak because if they truly were representing the people,they would be able to get things passed,over repub objections.
They would find a way to get things done.


This is a weak argument. It's easy to criticize when you ignore the actual reality of the way the Senate works, and the rules the Senators are forced to play by.

Cycloptichorn
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 05:17 pm
mysteryman wrote:

Nope,I call them weak because if they truly were representing the people,they would be able to get things passed,over repub objections.
They would find a way to get things done.
They havent done so,so that makes them weak,IMHO.

And I would and have said the same things about the repubs when they allowed the dems to block bills.

Interesting attempt at logic there MM..

Bush is weak because he can't get things done in Iraq.
The US military is weak because they can't break the insurgency in Iraq.
They haven't done so, so that makes them weak. I MMs HO.


You are weak because you can't come up with logical arguments.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 05:26 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
maporsche wrote:
mysteryman wrote:

If the dems in the Senate have not passed the legislation,what does that say.

Does it mean the Senate dems dont agree with the house,or that the dems in the Senate are so weak they cant get what they want.


Can you really think of no other options besides the two you listed?


No,I cant.
The dems claim to represent the "will of the people",but they cant seem to get anything passed.
Yet they claim that the people want all of these things to pass.

So,either the Senate dems are to weak to get things passed,or they simply dont want to,for whatever reason.


When you say 'too weak' to get things passed, what do you mean?

The Republicans have made it clear that they won't pass any Dem bill that they don't absolutely have to. How are the Dems 'weak?'

Should they change the rules of the Senate, now that the Republicans are in the minority? Would you call that 'strong?' In the House, the Dems have something like a 25 seat advantage. In the Senate, they have a one seat advantage and that's not good enough to overcome filibusters. The Republicans have filibustered every bill having to do with Iraq. What the hell do you expect the Senate Dems to do?

In fact, Reid has said that until they get votes on the amendments to the defense authorization bill, they aren't passing any bill at all. It seems you are going to get your wish.

Be honest. What you really are looking for is some ammunition to use against dems in the next election. You call them 'weak' for not passing legislation to pull us out of Iraq, but if they did, you would still refer to them as 'weak' for passing that same legislation.

Cycloptichorn



You stated my next post perfectly. I was trying to give MM a chance to see the error in his post....but alas it was in vain.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2007 05:55 pm
Sounds like he's going to get his wish anyways.

http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jul/19/happy_hour_roundup

Seventy House Democrats write a letter to Bush informing him that they won't support any future war funding unless it pays for nothing but withdrawal of the troops. That and other political news of the day in today's Election Central Happy Hour Roundup.

---

write, call or fax your rep. tomorrow and make sure they've signed on to the list.

Cycloptichorn
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 04:14 pm
Here is another dem "accomplishment"..


http://www.corruptionchronicles.com/2007/07/milliondollar_earmark_to_nonex.html

Quote:
Million-Dollar Earmark To Nonexistent Organization
In yet another example of the rampant waste and abuse with Congressional earmarks, a well-known Democratic lawmaker allocated $1 million taxpayer dollars to an organization that doesn't even exist.


So now congress is giving money to organizations that dont exist???
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