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I believe that the U.S. should grow some balls!

 
 
snookered
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2007 03:48 pm
JLNobody wrote:
Frankly, I'm grateful to Canada for accepting our young men who refuse to kill in wars they don't understand or find valid.


Why were you one of the draft dodgers that fled, or if your to young maybe it was your father. Now there are Women in Iraq who are take up arms in support of our country whether they like the reasoning or not.

Let me tell you about a Conscientious Objector in our company in Vietnam.
He refused to carry a weapon, and was a medic. When a platoon of our blues walked into an ambush, he crawled from wounded or dead soldier, protecting them from more harm. He crawled wounded to other solders and taking more hits in his body. Finally his values to be true to his country and at the same time objecting to the war.

He won the Medal Of Honor for his actions that dreadful day and night.

The President of the United States
in the name of The Congress
takes pleasure in presenting the
Medal of Honor
to

*LaPOINTE, JOSEPH G., JR.

Rank and organization: Specialist Fourth Class, U.S. Army, 2d Squadron, 17th Cavalry, 101st Airborne Division . Place and date: Quang Tin province, Republic of Vietnam, 2 June 1969. Entered service at: Cincinnati, Ohio. Born: 2 July 1948, Dayton, Ohio.
Citation:
For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. Sp4c. Lapointe, Headquarters and Headquarters Troop, 2d Squadron, distinguished himself while serving as a medical aidman during a combat helicopter assault mission. Sp4c. Lapointe's patrol was advancing from the landing zone through an adjoining valley when it suddenly encountered heavy automatic weapons fire from a large enemy force entrenched in well fortified bunker positions. In the initial hail of fire, 2 soldiers in the formation vanguard were seriously wounded. Hearing a call for aid from 1 of the wounded, Sp4c. Lapointe ran forward through heavy fire to assist his fallen comrades. To reach the wounded men, he was forced to crawl directly in view of an enemy bunker. As members of his unit attempted to provide covering fire, he administered first aid to 1 man, shielding the other with his body. He was hit by a burst of fire from the bunker while attending the wounded soldier. In spite of his painful wounds, Sp4c. Lapointe continued his lifesaving duties until he was again wounded and knocked to the ground. Making strenuous efforts, he moved back again into a shielding position to continue administering first aid. An exploding enemy grenade mortally wounded all 3 men. Sp4c. Lapointe's courageous actions at the cost of his life were an inspiration to his comrades. His gallantry and selflessness are in the highest traditions of the military service and reflect great credit on him, his unit, and the U.S. Army.


So go ahead and be grateful, you ungrateful SOB.
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snookered
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2007 03:56 pm
Chumly wrote:
As a Canadian, I much prefer the moderating force of the US, than the former Soviet's or Asia's military aggression / expansionism.


I do to. But hey I don't work at the pleasure of the president.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2007 05:37 pm
Snookered, you've just given an example of how a conscientious objector may not be a coward. I was too young for the second WW and too old for the last two (not to mention 4F--I DID go to inlist between wars but they wouldn't take me). My late wife and I hoped that her son would go to Canada if a major war erupted, but fortunately that did not happen.

I think we should all be willing to fight if our country were endangered, but except for WII I know of no such occasion. Every other war has been for the profits of some of our nation's interest groups but not for the profits of those who were sacrificed. Viet Nam and Iraq are clear examples. Testosterone may a cause but not a valid reason for war.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2007 05:40 pm
snookered wrote:
Chumly wrote:
As a Canadian, I much prefer the moderating force of the US, than the former Soviet's or Asia's military aggression / expansionism.


I do to. But hey I don't work at the pleasure of the president.


You don't understand snookered. We ALL serve at the pleasure of the president.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2007 05:52 pm
Unless you stand up for your principles and values and go to Canada or to jail.
Remember what Thoreau answered to Emerson when the latter asked him: Why are you in there" (he was in jail for civil disobedience). Thoreau answered "Why are you out there?"
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snookered
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2007 06:12 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
snookered wrote:
Chumly wrote:
As a Canadian, I much prefer the moderating force of the US, than the former Soviet's or Asia's military aggression / expansionism.


I do to. But hey I don't work at the pleasure of the president.


You don't understand snookered. We ALL serve at the pleasure of the president.


That has to be the dumbest thing I've have read. That sounds like Socialism Charlie Brom. Are you a communist?
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Chumly
 
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Reply Wed 28 Mar, 2007 01:28 am
Have a pleasurable peek! http://www.videosift.com/video/The-Daily-Show-To-Serve-at-The-Pleasure-of-The-President

As a Canadian I take an interest in US politics because I believe events in the US are often more germane overall than what a local Canadian politician might claim.
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squinney
 
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Reply Wed 28 Mar, 2007 12:43 pm
HaHa! Daily is priceless.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Thu 29 Mar, 2007 02:27 am
I sometimes wish I was a US citizen, just so I could have firsthand giggles instead of secondhand chuckles.
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Foley
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2007 09:43 am
snookered wrote:
That has to be the dumbest thing I've have read. That sounds like Socialism Charlie Brom. Are you a communist?


You just asked if he was a communist in reply to something completely unrelated to communism...
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snookered
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2007 10:04 am
Foley wrote:
snookered wrote:
That has to be the dumbest thing I've have read. That sounds like Socialism Charlie Brom. Are you a communist?


You just asked if he was a communist in reply to something completely unrelated to communism...


That's all you have to add? I guess you had to be there. Go back and read.
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USAFHokie80
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2007 02:01 pm
LOL. I was thinking the SAME thing. I'm afraid it's a bit too subtle though. :-p

ebrown_p wrote:
Quote:

THEY DON'T EVEN NEED OR MADE TO LEARN ENGLISH


Very good.
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snookered
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2007 02:20 pm
JLNobody wrote:
Snookered, you've just given an example of how a conscientious objector may not be a coward. I was too young for the second WW and too old for the last two (not to mention 4F--I DID go to inlist between wars but they wouldn't take me). My late wife and I hoped that her son would go to Canada if a major war erupted, but fortunately that did not happen.

I think we should all be willing to fight if our country were endangered, but except for WII I know of no such occasion. Every other war has been for the profits of some of our nation's interest groups but not for the profits of those who were sacrificed. Viet Nam and Iraq are clear examples. Testosterone may a cause but not a valid reason for war.



hehehehe...there is always an excuse for someone not to support their Country. One can always rationalize cowardness.
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snookered
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2007 02:32 pm
snookered wrote:
JLNobody wrote:
Snookered, you've just given an example of how a conscientious objector may not be a coward. I was too young for the second WW and too old for the last two (not to mention 4F--I DID go to inlist between wars but they wouldn't take me). My late wife and I hoped that her son would go to Canada if a major war erupted, but fortunately that did not happen.

What I gave was why Concientious Objector can serve their country and not hide in Canada.
How conveinent, too young, to old, 4F..I had to laugh at this one, "I did try to enlist inbetween wars." gee whiz, you sound so disappointed.
I could have been 4F also. Left chest deformed. But played it down.
Sorry to hear about your wife. But other than that, what do you mean
"unfortunately that didn't happen?
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Foley
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2007 03:04 pm
snookered wrote:
hehehehe...there is always an excuse for someone not to support their Country. One can always rationalize cowardness.

If it can be rationalized, how is it cowardice?
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snookered
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2007 03:14 pm
Foley wrote:
snookered wrote:
hehehehe...there is always an excuse for someone not to support their Country. One can always rationalize cowardness.

If it can be rationalized, how is it cowardice?


I love it. OK, I should have said "one, can rationalize the reason they are a coward."
Now if you don't have anything to offer please don't waste my time.
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Foley
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2007 03:22 pm
snookered wrote:
Now if you don't have anything to offer please don't waste my time.


You make the assumption that everyone has a born duty to their country and that people who do not fight do so because they are afraid. I'm saying you are absolutely wrong. Understand now?
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snookered
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2007 03:40 pm
Foley wrote:
snookered wrote:
Now if you don't have anything to offer please don't waste my time.


You make the assumption that everyone has a born duty to their country and that people who do not fight do so because they are afraid. I'm saying you are absolutely wrong. Understand now?


It use to be a born duty to serve our country. That's one reason I enlisted, knowing Vietnam was my next step. WWII men were upset if they couldn't enlist to serve their country.

Fight or flight probably is the main reason to run to Canada. Now, there seems to be a selfish generation that thinks as you. There is no sense of nationalism anymore. That is becaues the immigrants are mostly economic and not political reasons. Even Cubans after the 1964, 65 Freedom Flights became more economic refugees rather than Political.

So you say, "I'm saying you are absolutely wrong", as an answer to something?" That is a statement.
What I understand is that you don't have a clue, and if you did you would take to long to decide on what to do.
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Foley
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2007 04:55 pm
But you haven't told me why I owe my loyalty to my country. Because I was born here? Were people in Nazi Germany morally obligated to fight for Hitler?
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snookered
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2007 05:08 pm
Foley wrote:
But you haven't told me why I owe my loyalty to my country. Because I was born here? Were people in Nazi Germany morally obligated to fight for Hitler?


That's the problem in this country. People like you think they are entitled.
What country are you in?

Your connection of Nazi Germany is absurd.
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