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Confidence in your beliefs.

 
 
Chumly
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 03:56 pm
kate4christ03 wrote:
Faith encompasses pretty much every aspect of my life.
How does your faith encompass the urethra and clitoris being in almost the same spot?
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 04:08 pm
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Kate, what puzzles me when I see statements such as the above is why a person would put so much stock in words of questionable accuracy (lack of original manuscripts) from 2000 plus years ago and yet totally disregard those of more modern times such as Joseph Smith or Jim Jones or David Koresh or Sun Myung Moon (Jesus Christ Appears) or even for any of the thousands alive today that claim to have conversions with God, Jesus, angels, or some other celestial being.


well there are many reasons. first, yes we don't have the originals, but we do have copies of the original writings of the nt, not to mention the dead sea scrolls and septuigant. Also, the books of the bible were passed down and used for thousands of years. and alot of it has to do with faith. ....and probably why most people dont believe guys like jones, koresh and smith etc is because the things they said and did contradicted what was already given as christian teachings.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 04:14 pm
kate4christ03 wrote:
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Kate, what puzzles me when I see statements such as the above is why a person would put so much stock in words of questionable accuracy (lack of original manuscripts) from 2000 plus years ago and yet totally disregard those of more modern times such as Joseph Smith or Jim Jones or David Koresh or Sun Myung Moon (Jesus Christ Appears) or even for any of the thousands alive today that claim to have conversions with God, Jesus, angels, or some other celestial being.


well there are many reasons. first, yes we don't have the originals, but we do have copies of the original writings of the nt, not to mention the dead sea scrolls and septuigant. Also, the books of the bible were passed down and used for thousands of years. and alot of it has to do with faith. ....and probably why most people dont believe guys like jones, koresh and smith etc is because the things they said and did contradicted what was already given as christian teachings.


Didn't things that Jesus did contridict the OT?
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 04:16 pm
Chumly wrote:
kate4christ03 wrote:
Faith encompasses pretty much every aspect of my life.
How does your faith encompass the urethra and clitoris being in almost the same spot?
I'm not sure I have a complete answer, but I have it on good authority that the urethra is where it is so you won't pee on your brain...
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 04:18 pm
kate4christ03 wrote:
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but I still think it is interesting that a lot of conservative christians follow the bible by the letter when you keep in mind that the content of the bible was decided democratically. Who knows, maybe arianism is the true word of god.

the first council of nicea, if i'm correct, convened mainly for the purpose of discussing arianism. that of which, i might add, is contrary to the scriptures. that was the reason it was voted out. i think only about 2 or 3 people supported arianism.
Tsk!
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 04:18 pm
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Didn't things that Jesus did contridict the OT?


no
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 04:22 pm
kate4christ03 wrote:
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Didn't things that Jesus did contridict the OT?


no
Right. Jesus controverted the Pharisees and fulfilled the Mosaic law; which is why Paul could declare that the "Law has become our tutor leading to Chris." (Galatians 3:24)
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maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 04:23 pm
kate4christ03 wrote:
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Didn't things that Jesus did contridict the OT?


no


Really?
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 04:31 pm
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Really?


Yes...
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Chumly
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 04:32 pm
neologist wrote:
Chumly wrote:
kate4christ03 wrote:
Faith encompasses pretty much every aspect of my life.
How does your faith encompass the urethra and clitoris being in almost the same spot?
I'm not sure I have a complete answer, but I have it on good authority that the urethra is where it is so you won't pee on your brain...
Good authority?
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 04:34 pm
kate4christ03 wrote:
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Really?


Yes...
Right. Tell us, ma. What do you mean?
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jun, 2007 04:35 pm
Chumly wrote:
neologist wrote:
Chumly wrote:
kate4christ03 wrote:
Faith encompasses pretty much every aspect of my life.
How does your faith encompass the urethra and clitoris being in almost the same spot?
I'm not sure I have a complete answer, but I have it on good authority that the urethra is where it is so you won't pee on your brain...
Good authority?
Oh, sorry.
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echi
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 08:31 am
kate4christ03 wrote:
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It seems like you are saying the reason you believe is because you have faith. Is that right, or am I lost?

echi that is how it started yes.

Okay. So that's how it started. Has it changed? Is it different now?
Do you have any other reason for believing besides your faith?
Do you have any other reason for having faith besides your belief?
I still don't get it. Confused
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 10:07 am
One must continually test his/her faith.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 11:13 am
Against what do you test your superstition?
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 11:24 am
Chumly wrote:
Against what do you test your superstition?
Be more specific. There are many superstitions.

I start by holding straw men to the torch.
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stlstrike3
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 11:50 am
kate4christ03 wrote:
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I "walked away" from the church as soon as I was old enough to realize the absurdity of holding onto a belief that prohibits me from being open minded and thoughtful.


So echi did you have God in you YEs or NO? Did the Holy Spirit indwell you? Yes or no?

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Do you win points with God when you neglect the brain that He gave you?



Yes very openminded and thoughtful of you....LOL



Did you have the Holy Spirit in you? Yes or no...


First of all kate, welcome to A2K.

I appreciate the fact that you are giving input, but you have to realize that an awful lot of what you are saying is very cut-and-paste from the "born again" stories of most christians.

"I asked Jesus to come into my heart."

Ok... what exactly does that mean? Typically, it means people were at a low point in their life, lonely, afraid, unsure, and they were taught to "reach out" to a force out there to help them. How does one know that it's Jesus.... because you asked that particular person to help you? What would you say to the individual who "asked Zeus to fill me up with his powers and purge the pain" and vehemently states that their call to Zeus was answered?

"The Holy Spirit lives inside me... I can feel it."

Again... what evidence do you have that a great being is sending you emotional warm fuzzies? How do you know that you're not simply consoling yourself with an idea? Just because an idea is comforting is not a basis for truth. How do you know the Holy Spirit is responsible for this and not the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Is it because you asked for a specific deity's intervention? Which god you ask to intervene, you have to realize, is an accident of geography. If you lived in the Denmark at the time of the Vikings you'd be asking Thor for strength. If you grew up in Central Africa you'd be asking for the blessings of the Great Juju up the mountain. Your Christian faith and your version of a holy book tells you to reject (and in fact to kill) anyone who makes identical claims, but attritubes such emotional highs to a different diety.

My primary question to you is: How do you know you picked the right god out of the thousands you have to choose from?

Most people on this planet do not believe as you do.... just because your family does... just because you were taught something well before you could make critical decisions on your own, doesn't speak to its validity.

I just want you to not be afraid to ask the questions that need to be asked. And I don't want you to be afraid of the answers.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jun, 2007 01:53 pm
I'd have to agree with you, there Strike3. The acceptance of one's religion based on emotion is not faith but credulity.
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Ashers
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2007 06:15 pm
I definitely see more and less effort and seriousness going into an individual's personal, "spiritual journey" BUT I'm not sure where the lines are to be drawn between people who get to a point and become tired of searching and say OK, where I'm at it where it's at, enough already and those who get to a point where they feel some inner completeness, whatever that is, and also call it a day and settle for whatever position it is that they currently hold. Regardless, I don't really know how you battle what one might perceive as ignorance when the attacked...perceive it as contentment & wholesome because these are the jewels most people are searching for.
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jun, 2007 07:16 pm
I go back to my earlier post: One must continually test his/her faith.

I believe that is what Paul meant when he defined faith as ". . . the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld." (Hebrews 11:1)

Since we are dealing with things not easily measured, and since we are investing so much in our faith, we would be fools not to use discernment.
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