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Confidence in your beliefs.

 
 
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 10:54 am
Coolwhip wrote:
neologist wrote:
Perhaps an adjective is required to describe my faith. Nevertheless, I continue testing.

That's why I participate in this board.
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Anyone who are more faithful than ever after a serious religious debate is in my mind more stubborn than enlightened.
Stunning example of rhetorical genius.
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 12:51 pm
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If you want to call ignorant hillbillies "mighty men of God" be my guest, but in any case when they presumably "questioned and wavered at times"


ignorant hillbillies: Paul, who was of the most educated sect of jews; Sanhedrin...King David, ruler over all israel...Abraham, father of a nation... Yeah thez be ril ignorant mens......... Very Happy
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 01:30 pm
King hillbilly ruler of the flat earth.
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 01:33 pm
nah...isaiah said the earth was round...
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 01:35 pm
"educated sect of jews" what BS, the ignorant dirty lot of theM would not hold a candle to the ancient Greeks or Chinese let alone modern Western science.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 01:40 pm
kate4christ03 wrote:
nah...isaiah said the earth was round...

You're just peddling more BS, the hillbillies in the bible describes an immovable earth, it's all geocentrist-flat-earth drivel:

1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable."

Psalm 93:1: "Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ..."

Psalm 96:10: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ..."

Psalm 104:5: "Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken."

Isaiah 45:18: "...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast..."
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 01:46 pm
kate4christ03 wrote:
nah...isaiah said the earth was round...

Nope just more BS! A circle is not a ball, nor is a ball a circle.
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The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth. (Daniel 4:10-11)

The "whole" earth? No matter how tall the tree was, even if it was only a dream, it would not have been visible from the other side of the earth.

Hopeful believers in the scientific wisdom found in the Bible ignore the verse above and point to a verse in Isaiah which they think shows that the Bible writers knew the earth was a sphere. They believe that the word "circle" could actually mean "sphere," since both are round, but they ignore Isaiah's use of a different word in another verse where he speaks of a "ball." Here are the two verses:

To whom then will ye liken God? ....It is he that sitteth upon the circle (chuwg) of the earth (Isaiah 40:18-23

He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a BALL (duwr) into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. (Isaiah 22:18)

The Hebrew word used in scripture for "circle" in the verse above is chuwg. If the Bible writer had meant for us to believe that "circle of the earth" meant that the earth was round, the writer would have used the Hebrew word for "ball," which is duwr. The fact that Isaiah didn't use duwr shows that he wasn't trying to tell us the earth was like a ball.

Furthermore, there exists a simple interpretation of "circle of the earth" which does not imply a spherical earth. On a hill overlooking a wide expanse free of tall trees and other hills the horizon appears as a perfect circle, 360 degrees of blue sky. If Isaiah meant to tell us the earth was a globe, he would have used another word. A circle is not a ball, nor is a ball a circle. Everyone knew what a "circle" was in those times; it meant the same then as it means today.

http://sol.sci.uop.edu/~jfalward/Flat_Earth.htm
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 01:55 pm
those verses you gave in psalms are not literal. they are in reference to the Messiah's millenial reign and how he "firmly establishes" ,manages the chaos on earth. the other verses are just talking of God's sovereignty and how he created an earth that will not be destroyed by others. i don't see where these "hillbillies" call the earth flat. your just giving a bad isogesus of the text.
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 01:57 pm
But, of course, the tree was a symbol of Nebuchadnezzar's kingship. . .
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 01:59 pm
yep neo
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 01:59 pm
Chumly wouldn't recognize a figure of speech even if the camel walked through the eye of the needle and sat on him.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 02:01 pm
kate4christ03 wrote:
those verses you gave in psalms are not literal. they are in reference to the Messiah's millenial reign and how he "firmly establishes" ,manages the chaos on earth. the other verses are just talking of God's sovereignty and how he created an earth that will not be destroyed by others. i don't see where these "hillbillies" call the earth flat. your just giving a bad isogesus of the text.
Hi blind faith one, a circle is not a ball, nor is a ball a circle.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 02:03 pm
neologist wrote:
Chumly wouldn't recognize a figure of speech even if the camel walked through the eye of the needle and sat on him.
The next time you want to play football go play with a circle and see how well it works out. Are you now claiming you consider biblical scripture to be a "figure of speech"?
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 02:10 pm
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Chumly wouldn't recognize a figure of speech even if the camel walked through the eye of the needle and sat on him.


Very Happy
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 02:18 pm
kate4christ03 wrote:
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Chumly wouldn't recognize a figure of speech even if the camel walked through the eye of the needle and sat on him.


Very Happy
Argumentum ad populum (and not even very populum at that).
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 02:21 pm
The problem, electric man, is in assuming all scripture to be one or the other. That is why God inspired Solomon to write: "My son, if you will receive my sayings and treasure up my own commandments with yourself, 2 so as to pay attention to wisdom with your ear, that you may incline your heart to discernment; 3 if, moreover, you call out for understanding itself and you give forth your voice for discernment itself, 4 if you keep seeking for it as for silver, and as for hid treasures you keep searching for it." (Proverbs 2: 1-4)
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 02:22 pm
You were the one who passed up the invitation to free coffee. Don't forget it.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 02:24 pm
IOW it's figure of speech when it suits you.
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kate4christ03
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 02:26 pm
i just thought neo's statement was humorous because in reference to this little debate it's true. The bible is filled with symbolism, hyperbole etc...
just like when Christ told his followers to pluck their eyes out and cut their arms off if they were the cause of sin.... and just like the verses you gave, they aren't meaning the earth is literally flat....they are in reference to the Messiah's millenial reign.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jun, 2007 02:26 pm
In that case how about some examples of using a circle to mean a sphere. Or perhaps some examples of using god to mean donuts.
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