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Gonzales must resign now. "Mistakes were made."

 
 
McGentrix
 
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Reply Sun 18 Mar, 2007 08:35 am
Advocate wrote:
MM, so if something is not a crime, then it is perfectly okay. Forget about ethics, whether something was beneficial to the country, slimy, etc.

But, as someone alluded to, there may be election law violations underlying the firings, as well as perjury in testimony before congress.


Why do you feel the need to keep bringing up the Clinton - Lewinski affair?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 18 Mar, 2007 08:45 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
the rule of MM
republicans fdo something....good
democrats dot it....bad.

apply that rule across the board andyou.ve got MM's opinion without the hassle of asking...



And if you apply that rule,you will not have a clue as to how I think about anything,because BP is an idiot.
His ridiculous attempt to tell you how I think is wrong,and stupid (but consider the source).

I dont condemn any person,repub or dem,for doing what the law allows them to do,or for doing what they think is right.

Advocate said...
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MM, so if something is not a crime, then it is perfectly okay. Forget about ethics, whether something was beneficial to the country, slimy, etc.

But, as someone alluded to, there may be election law violations underlying the firings, as well as perjury in testimony before congress.


If something is not illegal,then yes it is legal.
And since we are talking about the law,then you must look at legality,nothing more.

IF there were possible election law violations or perjury,then yes by all means investigate those possible crimes (and contrary to the opinions of some on here perjury IS a crime).
But,IF the President fired those US attorneys,that in itself is NOT a crime.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 18 Mar, 2007 09:07 am
I guess we shouldn't object to the retention of Alberto. After all, should he leave, Bush would only replace him with another incompetent.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 18 Mar, 2007 09:20 am
There appears to be considerable Scooterheimer's among administration officials involved in the prosecutor massacre. Perhaps this memory problem emanated from Bush's press conference a few years ago in which he stated that he couldn't remember any mistakes he might have made as president.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 18 Mar, 2007 09:44 am
It went down to 11 last night. Not American Idol. The number of U.S. attorneys still working.

--Leno
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sun 18 Mar, 2007 10:00 am
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squinney
 
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Reply Sun 18 Mar, 2007 01:18 pm
We must be hitting a White House nerve:

New Terrorist Alert... Kinda Maybe Perhaps.
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squinney
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 05:50 am
More Info on the use of unofficial e-mail addresses.
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squinney
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 06:24 am
U.S. attorney's firing may be connected to CIA corruption probe

This should be easy enough to prove.

Lam notifies DOJ that she is going to execute search warrants on a high-ranking CIA official as part of a corruption probe the day before a Justice Department official sent an e-mail that said Lam needed to be fired.

Then she gets fired and replaced.

Who is the new US Attorney and has he or she issued search warrants on Foggo? If not, there's your answer.

(And, if they were just issued Friday, there's your cover-up)
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 09:29 am
Political appointees, while serving at the pleasure of the president, have a fiduciary duty to protect the interests of the American public. For instance, they must not act in a partisan manner. Bush, however, is all about punishing all those who criticize him, or are deemed politically disloyal. Thus, his administration has been all about using the appointees in a partisan fashion.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 10:29 am
U.S. Attorney Fired Due to Corruption Probe?
McClatchy: U.S. Attorney Fired Due to Corruption Probe?
By E&P Staff
Published: March 18, 2007 10:25 PM ET

The Washington bureau for McClatchy Newspapers have produced one scoop after another in the burgeoning scandal involving the recent firing of at least eight U.S. attorneys.

Reporters Marisa Taylor and Margaret Talev returned to the story today, writing that fired San Diego U.S. attorney Carol Lam "notified the Justice Department that she intended to execute search warrants on a high-ranking CIA official as part of a corruption probe the day before a Justice Department official sent an e-mail that said Lam needed to be fired, U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein said Sunday.

"Feinstein (D-Ca.) said the timing of the e-mail suggested that Lam's dismissal may have been connected to the corruption probe.

"Justice Department spokesman Brian Roehrkasse denied in an e-mail that there was any link. 'We have stated numerous times that no U.S. attorney was removed to retaliate against or inappropriately interfere with any public corruption investigation or prosecution,' he wrote. 'This remains the case and there is no evidence that indicates otherwise.'

"But the revelation is sure to heighten demands in Congress for a full investigation into whether something other than job performance was behind the Justice Department's dismissals late last year of eight U.S. attorneys, including Lam.

"On Sunday, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., said he intends to force President Bush's top political adviser, Karl Rove, to testify and will insist that the testimony be under oath. Leahy, who appeared on ABC's This Week, said he is 'sick and tired' of the administration's changing rationale for the firings.

"Justice Department officials originally told Congress that the U.S. attorneys had been dismissed for poor performance. But since it's become known that most of the attorneys received positive job evaluations."
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 10:46 am
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 06:05 pm
White House seeking replacement for Gonzales RAW STORY
Published: Monday March 19, 2007

The White House has begun actively seeking a replacement for Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, reports Politico.

"Among the names floated Monday by administration officials are Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and White House anti-terrorism coordinator Frances Townsend. Former Deputy Attorney General Larry Thompson is a White House prospect. So is former solicitor general Theodore B. Olson, but sources were unsure whether he would want the job," writes Politico.

The article also says that the resignation of Deputy Attorney General Paul J. McNulty is a "virtual certainty."

Excerpts from the article follow:

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In a sign of Republican despair, GOP political strategists on Capitol Hill said that it is too late for Gonzales' departure to head off a full-scale Democratic investigation into the motives and timing behind the firing of eight U.S. attorneys.

"Democrats smell blood in the water, and (Gonzales') resignation won't stop them," said a well-connected Republican Senate aide. "And on our side, no one's going to defend him. All we can do is warn Democrats against overreaching."

A main reason Gonzales is finding few friends even among Republicans is that he has long been regarded with suspicion by conservatives who have questioned his ideological purity. In the past, these conservatives warned the White House against nominating him for the Supreme Court. Now they're using the controversy over the firing of eight federal prosecutors to take out their pent-up frustrations with how he has handled his leadership at Justice and how the White House has treated Congress.

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READ THE FULL POLITICO ARTICLE HERE
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/White_House_seeking_replacement_for_Gonzales_0319.html
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 06:13 pm
White House spokesperson Tony Snow certainly gave a luke-warm endorsement of Mr Gonzales' staying on as AG today.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 06:50 pm
BBB
Alberto Gonzales is TOAST!

BBB
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 06:52 pm
Rove played a major role in this.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 06:57 pm
Paralysis Sets In as DOJ Faces Crisis
March 19, 2007 | 6:21 PM ET | Permanent Link
More from chief legal affairs correspondent Chitra Ragavan:

The Justice Department is expected to release more than 400 pages of E-mails and documents by close of business today to comply with a demand from Democrats in Congress over the growing crisis regarding the firing of eight U.S. attorneys last year. The crisis has engulfed the department and threatens to cut short Attorney General Alberto Gonzales's tenure.

Update: The Justice Department now says the document dump will contain closer to 2000 documents.

"You have no idea," said one Justice official, "how bad it is here."

The fear that virtually any piece of communication will have to be turned over has paralyzed department officials' ability to communicate effectively and respond in unison to the crisis, as has the fact that senior Justice officials themselves say they still don't know the entire story about what happened that led to the crisis. So they are afraid that anything they put down on paper could be viewed as lies or obfuscation, when in fact, the story is changing daily as new documents are found and as the Office of Legal Counsel conducts its own internal probe into the matter.

The paralysis will affect the calculations that Gonzales must make this week as to whether he should stay or go. If Gonzales doesn't resign, there's little doubt that he will get few of his initiatives through for the rest of his tenure and that his people will spend months churning out documents at the behest of angry Democrats who will be investigating virtually anything that moves. But this could also give Gonzales an exit strategy, officials say. He could say that while neither he nor his subordinates did anything wrong, he has decided to resign for the greater good of the department and for justice at large.

The Bush administration is making its own calibrated calculations. A stubbornly loyal individual, the president has had trouble cutting his ties to his embattled cabinet secretaries. However, if he chooses to keep Gonzales on, he is at risk of seriously eroding political capital at a time when his administration is being criticized even by party loyalists.

But if he decides to let him go, then who can fill Gonzales's place? For one thing, who would want the job? And who could Bush find that could get Senate confirmation, since Democrats now run the show? It would have to be a seasoned insider, a consummate veteran or an elder statesman who has bipartisan respect and acceptance and a squeaky-clean record.

"The trouble," says one former official, "is that no one comes to mind."

Etc.: Doc: Jack Abramoff and the Fired U.S. Attorneys, on USNews.com
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Brand X
 
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Reply Mon 19 Mar, 2007 10:04 pm
Not much more found yet.

Thousands of internal Justice Documents sent to Congress shed light on firings

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Internal Justice Department documents sent to Congress Monday night show seemingly conflicting views within the Justice Department over some of the firings and stiff resistance from at least a few of the U.S. Attorneys who were fired.

The first batch of the 3,000 pages released shed light on the highly controversial process which led to the firings and the tangled, shifting explanations for the dismissals, which have created a political firestorm on Capitol Hill.

Justice Department officials insist the documents back up their continuing assertion that performance issues, not politics, were the driving force behind the dismissals.

"The Department did not remove the U.S. Attorneys for improper reasons, such as to prevent or retaliate for a particular prosecution in a public corruption matter," said Tasica Scolinos, the Department's Director of Public Affairs.

The first available wave of the newly disclosed documents do not show any further involvement in the dismissals by White House operatives.

However, they do show a blizzard of e-mail traffic among Justice Department officials with varying degrees of concern about the repercussions of the unusual firings of eight U.S. Attorneys. (Posted 11:20 p.m.)

Source
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xingu
 
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Reply Tue 20 Mar, 2007 12:52 am
Quote:

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2007/03/19/why_conservatives_cant_govern.php
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 20 Mar, 2007 01:34 am
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U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald was ranked among prosecutors who had "not distinguished themselves" on a Justice Department chart sent to the White House in March 2005, when he was in the midst of leading the CIA leak investigation that resulted in the perjury conviction of a vice presidential aide, administration officials said yesterday.

The ranking placed Fitzgerald below "strong U.S. Attorneys . . . who exhibited loyalty" to the administration but above "weak U.S. Attorneys who . . . chafed against Administration initiatives, etc.," according to Justice documents.
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The March 2005 chart ranking Fitzgerald and other prosecutors was drawn up by Gonzales aide D. Kyle Sampson and sent to then-White House counsel Harriet Miers. The reference to Fitzgerald is in a portion of the memo that Justice has refused to turn over to Congress, officials told The Washington Post, speaking on the condition of anonymity because Fitzgerald's ranking has not been made public.
Washington Post - full report
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