Top general calls homosexuality 'immoral'

I wager that Pace had no problem with our forces leveling the city of Fallujah, a city of 300,000.

Advocate wrote:

I wager that Pace had no problem with our forces leveling the city of Fallujah, a city of 300,000.

That (or an equivalent) statement could be made equally well with respect to a host of military leaders from Germany to France, Britain, Russia, the United States and Israel. What then is your point?

History has many examples of this type of thing. What we did in Fallujah was a war crime. We destroyed a relatively large city to somehow make a statement, even though a small number of insurgents were there. Again, I wager that Pace bought into this without equivocation.

Why do we document laws, constitutions and other such except for the fact that man's reasoning abilties are flawed and subject to infinite variety? Why do we pay lawyers and judges to interpret the law? Because the only way we can expect to get even a modicum of coherence and avoid anarchy is to write it down and enforce what's written vice what each individual thinks. The Bible is no different...it offers a documented moral code that has withstood the test of time. It's ridiculous to think that by reasoning alone, I can figure out these complex moral matters. I'd be no more successful with that than by reasoning out in my head what I should pay in taxes.

That is for another program. On this thread, we are discussing Pace's hypocrisy.

Also, I wager that Pace, who finds gay behavior immoral, has no problem with our war crimes in Nam. We largely destroyed the country, which never threatened us, and killed over three million Vietnamese.

Ah, I gather that you are also a war criminal.

The facts in Korea were entirely different. Our actions there were probably justified.

Tell me, how many enemy babies do you think you killed?

You are really full of it. S. Korea was established as an independent country. There was no S. Nam until Eisenhower created the bastard state to house the tiny number of anti-Communists, most of whom fled from the North.

The Geneva Accords didn't establish S. Nam. President Eisenhower called for a temporary military demarcation line until there was a vote in Nam. Since it was clear that 80 % or more Viets would vote for a unitary country, Eisenhower did not allow the vote, and declared the existence of S. Nam. He took a Jesuit studying in Maryland, and installed him as the puppet president of S. Nam.

The generals, including, I think, Pace, joined in heartily in our carnage in Nam, and didn't feel their actions were immoral.

In 1968, upon completion of The Basic School, Quantico, Va., General Pace was assigned to the 2d Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division in the Republic of Vietnam, serving first as a Rifle Platoon Leader and subsequently as Assistant Operations Officer. He was later assigned to Marine Barracks, Washington, DC, where he served in a number of billets, to include Security Detachment Commander, Camp David; White House Social Aide; and Platoon Leader, Special Ceremonial Platoon.

South Vietnam, officially the State of Vietnam, (Vietnamese: Quốc gia Việt Nam) from 1954 to 1955, the Republic of Vietnam (RVN), (Vietnamese: Việt Nam Cộng Hòa) from 1955 to 1975, and the Republic of South Vietnam (Vietnamese: Cộng Hòa Miền Nam Việt Nam) from 1975 to 1976, was a country that existed from 1954 to 1975 in the territory of Vietnam that lay south of the 17th parallel.

Founding: the State of Vietnam
Unlike the other French possessions in Indochina (Annam, Tonkin, Cambodia and Laos), which were nominally protectorates, the southern part of Vietnam was the colony of Cochin-China, which had its capital at Saigon. As a colony it occupied a different legal position from the protectorates of Annam and Tonkin; it had been annexed to France in 1862, and even elected a deputy to the French National Assembly. French colonial interests were thus stronger in Cochin-China than in other parts of French Indochina. As such, during the First Indochina War the French government initially attempted to keep the status of Cochin-China separate from that of the rest of Vietnam, even going so far as constituting it an independent republic within the Indochinese Federation in 1946, but this proved unacceptable to the Viet Minh and in 1949 Cochin-China was eventually reunited with the other parts of Vietnam (Annam and Tonkin).

The State of Vietnam was created through co-operation between anti-communist Vietnamese and the French government on June 14, 1949 during the First Indochina War, and the Emperor Bao Dai took up the position of Chief of State (Quoc Truong). This was known as the 'Bao Dai Solution', and was an attempt by the French to grant partial independence to Vietnam, while still retaining substantial control over the country, and keeping it from communist rule. Such a formulation was rejected by the communist Viet Minh, led by Ho Chi Minh, who were fighting the French for full independence for Vietnam.

In 1954 it was determined by the Geneva Conference that the State of Vietnam would rule the territory of Vietnam south of the 17th parallel, of which the former colony of Cochin-China formed the heartland, pending unification on the basis of supervised elections (see Geneva Conference (1954)) in 1956. The elections and unification did not take place as planned (see below). When the territory was divided in this way, approximately 800,000 to 1 million North Vietnamese, mainly Vietnamese Roman Catholics, fled south due to the perceived danger of religious persecution in the North. The Republic of Vietnam was proclaimed in Saigon by Ngô Ðình Diệm on October 22, 1955, after the Emperor Bảo Ðại was deposed.

Well, I guess I set myself up for being taken out of context...but if you take the rest of my post...my point is explained better...

slkshock7 wrote:

Why do we document laws, constitutions and other such except for the fact that man's reasoning abilties are flawed and subject to infinite variety? Why do we pay lawyers and judges to interpret the law? Because the only way we can expect to get even a modicum of coherence and avoid anarchy is to write it down and enforce what's written vice what each individual thinks. The Bible is no different...it offers a documented moral code that has withstood the test of time. It's ridiculous to think that by reasoning alone, I can figure out these complex moral matters. I'd be no more successful with that than by reasoning out in my head what I should pay in taxes.