Studying Europe's Muslim terrorists

HokieBird wrote:

There's already elements of Sharia Law in the UK, no?

Britain has slghtly different laws for England, Wales and -especially- Scotland.
As far as I know, they didn't change it to Sharia.

Such would be known, I suppose.

There's a message that's got to come out from Britain and the British people and that is that 1) we will not yield, we will not be intimidated and we will not allow anyone to undermine our British way of life.

I didn't mean they've 'changed' to Sharia, but I'm sure I read that 'elements' of Sharia are being employed.

However, the BBC Radio 4 programme Law in Action produced evidence yesterday that it was being used by some Muslims as an alternative to English criminal law. Aydarus Yusuf, 29, a youth worker from Somalia, recalled a stabbing case that was decided by an unofficial Somali "court" sitting in Woolwich, south-east London.

Mr Yusuf said a group of Somali youths were arrested on suspicion of stabbing another Somali teenager. The victim's family told the police it would be settled out of court and the suspects were released on bail.

A hearing was convened and elders ordered the assailants to compensate their victim. "All their uncles and their fathers were there," said Mr Yusuf. "So they all put something towards that and apologised for the wrongdoing."

Although Scotland Yard had no information about that case yesterday, a spokesman said it was common for the police not to proceed with assault cases if the victims decided not to press charges.

However, the spokesman said cases of domestic violence, including rape, might go to trial regardless of the victim's wishes.
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The Muslim News columnist Shelina Zahra Janmohamed has highlighted. It is worth repeating her point. A Gallup poll of Muslims in London found that Muslims' loyalty to Britain is greater than the general public; a national poll conducted by Populus found that: "only 33 per cent of the general population said they had Muslims as close personal friends" while "almost 90 per cent of Muslims said they had close non-Muslim friends"

Islamic Sharia Council UK - Home

What is the Shari'a ruling on intravenous fertilization?

HokieBird wrote:

Islamic Sharia Council UK - Home

Well, do you want links for the various Evangelical, Catholic or other religious courts in the UK as well ....?

Well such is completely legal, there's "[N]o doubt, the backstreets of Britain are full of Islamic courts ruling on everything from banking and alcopops to forced marriage and divorce" - as this Guardian report shows.


Which still doesn't prove your claim that Sharia law was introduced in the UK.

Not 'officially' (which isn't what I said anyway), but it's probably just a matter of time.

Walter is right in that such courts are not legally recognised. They have no more force of law than a private club taking measures to enforce its own rules. But I dont like these "courts". They are devisive and re inforce separateness...one law for them one law for us etc...even in fact in law no such division pertains.

HokieBird wrote:

Not 'officially' (which isn't what I said anyway), but it's probably just a matter of time.

Well, that might be - but only after the UK became a republic.


Btw: the Sharia Academy of the USA is in Tampa, Florida.

When does Sharia become part of the US-law, you think?

dagmaraka wrote:

steve, i think we practice just the same "us" and "them" mentality.


europe and U.S. are different, yes. but again, i wouldn't confuse the loud minority for all the muslims of britain. most of them are just honest working people who suffer from the reputation reaped by the violent few the most.

I understand how it is difficult for "moderate" muslims...(though to digress yet again I wonder how you define that expression...what is for instance a "moderate" Christian? Someone who only believes in 2 out of the 3 trinity? )

the large majority of Muslims who are as you say honest working people who want nothing but to live their lives suffer whatever they do

if they do nothing they are accused of not exposing militancy

if they do expose the Islamist jihadists among them, they risk real danger from those they denounce

and if they walk down the street with muslim dress, some idiot from the BNP who knows nothing about them other than they are non white tells them to get out of the country for being Asian/Pakistani origin.

What is making their lives so hard? My answer is Islam, not me.

Steve 41oo wrote:

Walter is right in that such courts are not legally recognised. They have no more force of law than a private club taking measures to enforce its own rules. But I dont like these "courts". They are devisive and re inforce separateness...one law for them one law for us etc...even in fact in law no such division pertains.

Do you feel the same way about the arbitration agencies mitigating conflicts between businesses? Many firms prefer them and their rules to government courts and government laws -- or else they wouldn't exist.

From the Sharia Law UK site

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What is the Shari'a ruling on intravenous fertilization?

Clearly a wealth of expertise here.

Dress is cultural, not religious. Unless we're talking about a priest or cleric, imo.

We can all guess which way a trade dispute between a muslim business and non muslim supplier, settled in a sharia court would go.