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ehBeth wrote:

woiyo wrote:
Like I said, a Socialist.

Not even close.

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Fear of the middle-right is intriguing.

Fear? Like the left fears George W. Bush you mean?

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Fear? Like the left fears George W. Bush you mean?

listening to some republican 'lawmakers' ,
it seems not only 'the left' (still can't figure out who the left is in the united states - some exceptions apply - as is usually stated when a sale is advertised) is afraid of the president's actions .
there seem to be a number of republicans who don't agree with his policies/actions at all . Shocked

they seem to be springing up all over the place - like dandelions after a springrain .
hbg

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ehBeth wrote:

woiyo wrote:
Like I said, a Socialist.

Not even close.

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Fear of the middle-right is intriguing.

Why do you think she is NOT a Socialists?

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Most likely because she doesn't advocate a Socialist economic and govenrmental system.

You can't just use words to mean whatever you want them to, christ

Cycloptichorn

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As long as the left gets to call Bush a Facist, we get to call Hillary a Socialist. Deal with it. We have.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Most likely because she doesn't advocate a Socialist economic and govenrmental system.

You can't just use words to mean whatever you want them to, christ

Cycloptichorn

Remind me about her Socialist Health Care Plan she tried to peddle?

Remind me about her constant voting record for many potential tax increases including those that provide services for the unwilling?

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woiyo wrote:

Remind me about her Socialist Health Care Plan she tried to peddle?

Remind me about her constant voting record for many potential tax increases including those that provide services for the unwilling?

You really should try - only TRY - to get some information before you babble here.

I've never heard of any socialistic health care plan which worked in any society outside the countries behind the former iron wall. And even - or especially - there they didn't work at all.

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Remind me about her constant voting record for many potential tax increases including those that provide services for the unwilling?

i'm sure it's much better to give taxbreaks to the rich - is there perhaps something in the bible that can be used as an argument to give more to the rich and less to the poor ?
even CNBC - not exactly a left-wing news outlet - has documented how the rich get richer and the middle-class and poor get further behind .
hbg

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Yes, giving tax breaks to those that actually pay taxes... how dastardly!

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woiyo wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Most likely because she doesn't advocate a Socialist economic and govenrmental system.

You can't just use words to mean whatever you want them to, christ

Cycloptichorn

Remind me about her Socialist Health Care Plan she tried to peddle?

Remind me about her constant voting record for many potential tax increases including those that provide services for the unwilling?

Okay, it doesn't make you a 'socialist' to think that the gov't should have a more active hand in health care. Socialism would call for health care/insurance companies to be run by the gov't.

Being in favor of tax increases doesn't make you a socialist, it doesn't matter what the increases are for...

Ridiculousness. You have no understanding of what Socialism means...

Cycloptichorn

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Yes, giving tax breaks to those that actually pay taxes... how dastardly!

i actually have never heard that anyone NOT paying any taxes would get a taxbreak - am i missing something here ?
there is , of course , the ultimate taxbreak of keeping one's money overseas - i understand it does happen .
am i supposed to understand that the rich should be given better taxbreaks than than the middle-class and the poor ... so that the rich can get even richer ?
perhaps i listen to MSNBC a little too much - even they don't seem to support such taxbreaks .
hbg

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Better tax breaks? How do you figure better tax breaks?

Poor people do not pay any gederal taxes. Up to a certain amount, not sure what that is, but like $50,000, any federal taxes paid is pretty much guaranteed to be refunded for a family of 4. Of course that changes for single people and what not. So, the poor do not benefit from tax breaks because they really don't pay taxes. Not that people making $50,000 would be considered poor.

People that make lots of money pay lots of taxes and people get upset when they (the wealthy) get a tax break because it seems like a lot of money to them (those not wealthy). So, I am not sure what you mean by a better tax break.

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The existential conservative question:

Excuse me sir, are you trying to cut my throat, because if you are, I want to help steady your hand!

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

woiyo wrote:
Remind me about her Socialist Health Care Plan she tried to peddle?

Remind me about her constant voting record for many potential tax increases including those that provide services for the unwilling?

You really should try - only TRY - to get some information before you babble here.

I've never heard of any socialistic health care plan which worked in any society outside the countries behind the former iron wall. And even - or especially - there they didn't work at all.

Wally, you again are proving my point. You may not recall, but Hillery's "National Health Care Plan" fell flat on it's face when Bubba tried to push it through.

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Let's get some facts on the table since many refuse to acknowledge facts.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (NY)

Current Office: U.S. Senator
Current District: Junior Seat
Office Seeking: U.S. Senator
First Elected: 11/07/2000
Last Elected: 11/07/2006
Next Election: 2012
Party: Democrat
Biographical
Issue Positions(NPAT)
Campaign Finances
Interest Group Ratings
Voting Record
Speeches and Public Statements

SENATOR HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON REPEATEDLY REFUSED TO PROVIDE ANY
RESPONSES TO CITIZENS ON ISSUES THROUGH THE 2006
NATIONAL POLITICAL AWARENESS TEST WHEN ASKED TO DO SO BY

Key national leaders of both major parties including:
John McCain, Republican Senator
Geraldine Ferraro, Former Democratic Congresswoman
Michael Dukakis, Former Democratic Governor
Bill Frenzel, Former Republican Congressman
Richard Kimball, Project Vote Smart President

Over 100 news organizations throughout the nation also urged their candidates to supply their issue positions through the National Political Awareness Test.

Urge Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to pass the National Political Awareness Test.

Washington DC Web Address:
http://clinton.senate.gov/
Washington DC Web Mail Address:
http://clinton.senate.gov/contact

What is the NPAT?

http://www.vote-smart.org/npat.php?can_id=WNY99268

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Budget, Spending and Taxes
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2005 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Taxpayers Union 9 percent in 2005.

2005 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the FreedomWorks 0 percent in 2005.

2005 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans for Tax Reform 5 percent in 2005.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Taxpayers Union 11 percent in 2004.

2004 On the votes that the American Shareholders Association considered to be the most important in 2004, Senator Clinton voted their preferred position 10 percent of the time.

2004 On the votes that the Americans for Tax Reform considered to be the most important in 2004, Senator Clinton voted their preferred position 10 percent of the time.

2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Taxpayers for Common Sense 60 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Tax Limitation Committee 5 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the FreedomWorks 7 percent in 2003-2004.

2003 On the votes that the Americans for Tax Reform considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Clinton voted their preferred position 5 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the American Shareholders Association considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Clinton voted their preferred position 9 percent of the time.

2003 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Taxpayers Union 21 percent in 2003.

2002 On the votes that the Americans for Tax Reform considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Clinton voted their preferred position 5 percent of the time.

2002 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Taxpayers Union 17 percent in 2002.

2002 On the votes that the Taxpayers for Common Sense considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Clinton voted their preferred position 55 percent of the time.

2001-2002 On the votes used to calculate its ratings, the Concord Coalition attaches more value to those votes it considers more important. For 2001-2002, the Concord Coalition gave Senator Clinton a rating of 58 percent.

2001-2002 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Tax Limitation Committee 0 percent in 2001-2002.

2001 On the votes that the Americans for Tax Reform considered to be the most important in 2001, Senator Clinton voted their preferred position 5 percent of the time.

2001 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Taxpayers Union 3 percent in 2001.

2001 On the votes that the Taxpayers for Common Sense considered to be the most important in 2001, Senator Clinton voted their preferred position 20 percent of the time.

2001 On the votes that the American Shareholders Association considered to be the most important in 2001, Senator Clinton voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

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She is also a liar.

JAKARTA, Indonesia (CNN) -- Allegations that Sen. Barack Obama was educated in a radical Muslim school known as a "madrassa" are not accurate, according to CNN reporting.

Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times, reported on its Web site last week that associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam.

Obama lived in Indonesia as a child, from 1967 to 1971, with his mother and stepfather and has acknowledged attending a Muslim school, but an aide said it was not a madrassa. (Watch video of Obama's school )

Insight attributed the information in its article to an unnamed source, who said it was discovered by "researchers connected to Senator Clinton." A spokesman for Clinton, who is also weighing a White House bid, denied that the campaign was the source of the Obama claim.

He called the story "an obvious right-wing hit job."

Sure, blame the other guy.

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woiyo wrote:

Wally, you again are proving my point. You may not recall, but Hillery's "National Health Care Plan" fell flat on it's face when Bubba tried to push it through.

Besides that I'm neither "Wally" nor ever allowed you to call me such, besides that ... Hillery's plan is only a weak, light copy of what the conservatives introduced here in Germany under Bismarck ... in 1883 (sic!).

So, this proves what exactly?

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

woiyo wrote:

Wally, you again are proving my point. You may not recall, but Hillery's "National Health Care Plan" fell flat on it's face when Bubba tried to push it through.

Besides that I'm neither "Wally" nor ever allowed you to call me such, besides that ... Hillery's plan is only a weak, light copy of what the conservatives introduced here in Germany under Bismarck ... in 1883 (sic!).

So, this proves what exactly?

It proves you no idea what I am talking about and also proves you have no "stake" in the game called US Politics.

Also, sine when did I need your "permission" to address you as Wally? Your arrogance is revolting.

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woiyo wrote:

She is also a liar.

JAKARTA, Indonesia (CNN) -- Allegations that Sen. Barack Obama was educated in a radical Muslim school known as a "madrassa" are not accurate, according to CNN reporting.

Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times, reported on its Web site last week that associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam.

Obama lived in Indonesia as a child, from 1967 to 1971, with his mother and stepfather and has acknowledged attending a Muslim school, but an aide said it was not a madrassa. (Watch video of Obama's school )

Insight attributed the information in its article to an unnamed source, who said it was discovered by "researchers connected to Senator Clinton." A spokesman for Clinton, who is also weighing a White House bid, denied that the campaign was the source of the Obama claim.

He called the story "an obvious right-wing hit job."

Sure, blame the other guy.

walter

Some folks find a surprising degree of emotional comfort in burning their arms with cigarettes or from self-flagellation or through remaining uneducated. I think you ought to leave him be.

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