Quote:I think your whole statement is utter and complete bullshit. Rice doesn't have have the same amount invested in this as other Americans? You should be ashamed of that statement just as much as Boxer should be for her ridiculous statement.
I take this to mean that I shouldn't be ashamed at all, because Boxer certainly has no reason to be, and you suggested we should be equally ashamed. I accept.
Quote:The slur "chickenhawk", and that is indeed what it is, is nothing but a cheap tactic used when the left can no longer come up with anything to say in response. It the reply of the weak.
You're wrong here, because you cannot counter with any actual facts about why you, McG, and others, cannot go and fight the Islamoterrorists. Or Will not. Or aren't required to. Whatever you need to say to avoid actually going and facing danger yourself, you're prepared to say, I have no doubts.
Quote:Rice, as Secretary of State, she has far greater responsibility for the people of the United States, including each and every soldier. Far greater responsibility then those merely related to those soldiers.
I agree, but in typical fashion, we aren't talking about who has 'responsibilty' over the soldiers, we are talking about personal involvement and relation to those who are in danger. Bush doesn't have this, and neither does Rice, neither do I, neither does Boxer. We don't have the same amount invested in this war as others who have family there.
Quote: Our civilian government sends those men and women into danger. It's an easy tactic to declare that Bush and others in government "don't care" because they aren't going, but I guarantee you they care and they live with the deaths of each and every single one of them.
You cannot make this guarantee, for you cannot see into the hearts and minds of those you are describing. You are merely talking out your ass here, because you have a lack of proof, evidence, or anything showing that this is true. Just a bunch of words, no actions.
Quote: They take defending the nation far more seriously than a bunch of slobs posting on an internet forum trying to defame them.
Really? I ask, because this slob is
dead serious about defaming them.
Quote:They speak to the soldiers parents, they live with the facts that they have sent those soldiers to their deaths, no leader bears more responsibility for their deaths and the reasons for their deaths then the President. He is Commander in Chief.
Apparently a Deified CIC to you, the way you talk about him in such reverent tones. You're telling me that Bush bears more responsibility for the death of a soldier then the platoon seargent who sent him into the building to die? Then his parents, who have to live with a big hole in their lives in perpetuity?
Let me ask you, then, those who were tortured to death and maimed in Abu Ghraib - does Bush bear the responsiblity for their deaths as well? Or is it merely the noble deaths, the ones that add to his cred, that he is responsible for?
Quote:They were elected to lead our country and they do so to the best of their abilities and whether or not you, or anyone else agrees with them, they face the realities of a world in which terrorism is a real threat. They face the pressure deciding to send soldiers to war and that war results in death.
A wonderful description of reality. Also, a useless paragraph in that nothing you wrote here actually means anything.
Quote:You come on here flinging words like "chickenhawk" around because you disagree with others opinions.
Not true; it's because others are cowards who would volunteer any number of soldiers to die in their stead, who consistently vote for others to pick up the burden but not themselves, who would prolong conflicts which bring death and dying, who are cavalier about war and death and murder - as long as it's a useless Iraqi, that is. I call those Chickenhawks who are Chickenhawks; those who talk a huge game and could never back it up themselves. Those who advocate 'taking the gloves off of the military' and stepping up the killing of innocents to win this war. I find it to be morally repugnant, and the worst part is, they pat themselves on the back every day for being 'tough' enough to see this thing through, and so much stronger than the 'euroweenies' and 'hippie peaceniks' who are trying to end the conflict. It is truly amazing to watch the cognitive dissonance in action.
Quote:No other reason at all.
I detailed above the other reason.
Quote:Having experience as a soldier, or having family at war does not have any bearing at all on my opinions.
Yes, it does. It means you can toss around extreme opinions and there is never a personal or familial consequence for your actions. No opinion or preferred course of action of yours will lead to the death of you or a loved one. Therefore, it is neccessary to label you a Chickenhawk; one who is super-willing to send others to fight and die, one who trivializes the death of civilians, who reduces war to some sort of Realpolitik game, who throws out a$$hole comments constantly about the low morals and will of those who seek to stop the war.
Quote:Calling me, or other posters, coward is nothing more then your being a jerk. It the insult of last resort for you and your ilk.
You would certainly know about being a jerk, mmm?
And I certainly have other insults I can resort to, if neccessary.
The fact stands unrebutted that neither Rice nor Boxer have a family member in the military, so neither of them will be paying a strong price for this conflict. Boxer's comments were accurate and appropriate to the conversation at hand.
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