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IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

 
 
McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 11:12 am
Miller wrote:
What's with a company like Walgreens that increases the price of a simple generic antibiotic 10% each 3 months?


Perhaps they want people to shop elsewhere for their generic drugs.
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 06:20 pm
Walgreens is just a greedy company...

By the way, insurance premiums in Massachusetts are expected to increase 10-15% this coming Jan, 2008.

Meanwhile, salaries increase 3%...
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 06:28 pm
Miller wrote:
Walgreens is just a greedy company...

By the way, insurance premiums in Massachusetts are expected to increase 10-15% this coming Jan, 2008.

Meanwhile, salaries increase 3%...


People are also required to purchase Insurance now. Has the state implemented any sort of cost stopping measures
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 06:46 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Miller wrote:
Walgreens is just a greedy company...

By the way, health insurance premiums in Massachusetts are expected to increase 10-15% this coming Jan, 2008.

Meanwhile, salaries increase 3%...


People are also required to purchase Insurance now. Has the state implemented any sort of cost stopping measures


The State has not said a single word.
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USAFHokie80
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 03:36 pm
Miller wrote:
Walgreens is just a greedy company...

By the way, insurance premiums in Massachusetts are expected to increase 10-15% this coming Jan, 2008.

Meanwhile, salaries increase 3%...


The *rate* might be larger, but the increase itself is still smaller. Comparing a percentage is really only useful when they are both a percentage of the same number - or, if you are merely commenting on the rate of change overall.

10% of $6000.00 = $600.00

3% of $50000.00 = $1500.00
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 03:45 pm
Miller, Don't you love it when these simpletons try to teach us math? LOL
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maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 03:49 pm
USAFHokie80 wrote:
Miller wrote:
Walgreens is just a greedy company...

By the way, insurance premiums in Massachusetts are expected to increase 10-15% this coming Jan, 2008.

Meanwhile, salaries increase 3%...


The *rate* might be larger, but the increase itself is still smaller. Comparing a percentage is really only useful when they are both a percentage of the same number - or, if you are merely commenting on the rate of change overall.

10% of $6000.00 = $600.00

3% of $50000.00 = $1500.00


I think his point is that medical costs continue to absorb a higher percentage of a persons pay. This is demonstrated in the example you provided. $6000 is 12% of $50000. $6600 is 13% of $51500. The cost of medical care is rising faster than payrolls are. These comparisons are best demonstrated by using percentages as opposed to actual dollar values.

Your dollar value comparison is very illustrative though. I hope that you weren't feeling too good about that 3% raise....since 40% of it is going to your medical care increase.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 04:04 pm
The 3% increase in salary is meaningless when it doesn't keep up with inflation. All it's doing is providing a very simple fact that salary increases are not keeping up with the cost of drugs or health care premiums - and everything else we buy. Everybody losses buying power no matter how you wish to translate percentages whether with the big numbers (salary @ 3%) or smaller ones (cost of drugs @ 10%).
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 04:11 pm
CI
Billions for Iraq and not a cent for the American citizen. Bringing democracy to the middle east is far more important than the welfare of American citizens. Mad
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 04:14 pm
au1929 wrote:
CI
Billions for Iraq and not a cent for the American citizen. Bringing democracy to the middle east is far more important than the welfare of American citizens. Mad


Don't I know it! And congress goes right along with Bush; they're afraid that cutting the funds for this war means not supporting our troops - all political hogwash. Bush cuts funding for our veterans, and nobody seems to care.
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Miller
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 06:55 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Miller, Don't you love it when these simpletons try to teach us math? LOL


You got that right CI! Laughing
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Miller
 
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Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 07:03 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
The 3% increase in salary is meaningless when it doesn't keep up with inflation. All it's doing is providing a very simple fact that salary increases are not keeping up with the cost of drugs or health care premiums - and everything else we buy. Everybody losses buying power no matter how you wish to translate percentages whether with the big numbers (salary @ 3%) or smaller ones (cost of drugs @ 10%).


When the average person can't afford either the insurance premium or the cost of the generic antibiotic, serious consequences can arise.

For example, the patient has a simple UTI( urinary tract infection ), needs a generic antibiotic to treat the UTI, but can't afford the antibiotic which incidentally isn't covered by his/her health plan.

What happens next? Often the UTI will resolve on it's own. On other times, the UTI can be so serious that infection progresses until the patient's kidney ( one or both ) are affected. Renal failure may set in, thus requiring the patient to have a kidney transplant or else face death.

Net result: major hospital expensive to patient/society/hospital/ taxpayer...all because the patient couldn't afford to pay for the antibiotic.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 05:06 pm
This is interesting,and yes I "borrowed" it from another site....


Quote:
Canadian official refuses Canadian health care

The woman who would-be prime minister of Canada had her breast-cancer surgery done in? A. Ottawa, B. Toronto, C. Montreal, D. Alberta, E. California.

Of course Liberal PM candidate Belinda Stronach went to California. The Canadian liberal elite (she is a billionaire's daughter) do not wait in line like commoners for Canadian health care. The liberal elites travel to the United States for their medical treatment.

The Toronto Star reported:

Stronach, diagnosed in the spring with a type of breast cancer that required a mastectomy and breast reconstruction, went to California in June at her Toronto doctor's suggestion, a spokesperson confirmed.

"Belinda had one of her later-stage operations in California, after referral from her personal physicians in Toronto. Prior to this, Belinda had surgery and treatment in Toronto, and continues to receive follow-up treatment there," said Greg MacEachern, Stronach's assistant and spokesperson.

Speed was not the issue, MacEachern said - it was more to do with the type of surgery she and her doctor agreed was best for her, and where it was best performed. The type of cancer Stronach had is called DCIS, ductal carcinoma in situ, one of the more treatable forms.

If Canada's health care is so good, why is it not doing this sort of surgery?

Mind you, this happened in June and is only being made public in September.

Her spokesman said the liberal elite loves the Canadian health system.

"In fact, Belinda thinks very highly of the Canadian health-care system, and uses it when needed for herself and her children, as do all Canadians. As well, her family has clearly demonstrated that support," MacEachern said.

"This was about a specific health-care procedure, unrelated to any views about the quality of Canadian health care, a decision based on medical advice and a referral from her Toronto physicians, and just one part of several areas of treatment. Belinda has nothing but praise for the community of health-care professionals in Toronto who supported and treated her throughout the last six months."

Sure, pal, sure. Whatever.

People like Stronach want the power to run a health system that they would never, ever use.

The reason Canada does not have this sort of care is it devotes only 10% of its GDP to health care. America devotes 15% of its economic power to medical care. You get what you pay for.



The full Toronto Star story is here:
http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/256600

So,why couldnt she get the surgery in Canada?
I thought their healthcare was better then ours.
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old europe
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 05:26 pm
mysteryman wrote:
I thought their healthcare was better then ours.


No. You didn't.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 05:30 pm
old europe wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
I thought their healthcare was better then ours.


No. You didn't.


Your right.
I should have said that the CLAIM was that their health care was better,at least according to the left on here.
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old europe
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 05:38 pm
Well, if "the left on here" says so, it must be wrong.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 05:43 pm
mysteryman wrote:
This is interesting,and yes I "borrowed" it from another site....

<snip>

So,why couldnt she get the surgery in Canada?
I thought their healthcare was better then ours.


We've covered this on another thread.

Belinda went to California for her plastic surgery, not her cancer treatment.

And once again, Belinda is not a Canadian official of any sort. She is a Canajun socialite. She is the ex-girlfriend of a former hockey player. She dabbled, very briefly, in politics.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 05:44 pm
old europe wrote:
Well, if "the left on here" says so, it must be wrong.


Most likely,thats true.
But,try answering my question,instead of being snide.

Why did she have to come to the US for surgery if Canada's health care is so much better?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 05:46 pm
I'll say it again.

Her actual cancer treatment was, and is, being handled in Canada.

Her PLASTIC SURGERY was done in California. The best faux bits are found in Hollywood.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2007 05:49 pm
ehBeth wrote:
I'll say it again.

Her actual cancer treatment was, and is, being handled in Canada.

Her PLASTIC SURGERY was done in California. The best faux bits are found in Hollywood.


So, are you admitting that Canada's healthcare isnt the best on the continent?
Are you saying that there is something that the US does better?
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