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IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Wed 2 Dec, 2009 02:31 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
He's a centrist if anything.
Cycloptichorn

Bull. He wants you to believe it, and you either know better or you also want everyone else to believe it too. Obama is no centrist, he is a radical. Centrists are not Marxists, anti-capitalists, and friends with terrorists and bigots. A centrist would not have sat and listened to the hate mongering of the anticapitalist Jew hating Marxist Jeremiah Wright for 20 years.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 2 Dec, 2009 02:47 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
He's a centrist if anything.
Cycloptichorn

Bull. He wants you to believe it, and you either know better or you also want everyone else to believe it too. Obama is no centrist, he is a radical. Centrists are not Marxists, anti-capitalists, and friends with terrorists and bigots. A centrist would not have sat and listened to the hate mongering of the anticapitalist Jew hating Marxist Jeremiah Wright for 20 years.


You're simply incorrect. Obama has taken actions which are entirely consistent with centrism, and inconsistent with radicalism.

I would also point out that NONE of Obama's actions are consistent with Marxism or anti-capitalism, whatsoever. If you think they are, point them out and we can discuss how wrong you are about it.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
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Reply Wed 2 Dec, 2009 02:51 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Good grief, are you blind? He has taken over GM and Chrysler, wedged in alot more influence into the banks, and is now attempting to take over a large percentage of business in this country, otherwise known as the health care industry. Cap and trade, thats obviously another ploy of his to try to hold sway over the energy industry in this country. Are you blind, cyclops, or just have selective sight and hearing to suit your own preferences. I know you are also very biased and like aspects of communism, but try to be honest about your beliefs, okay, own up to them and admit to what you know Obama is trying to do. Anybody that has any common sense and stands for personal liberty and capitalism and free enterprise, they would never support Obama, no way. You are either dishonest or naive, one or the other.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 2 Dec, 2009 03:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Why did you include me in your comment?
I have said that I was opposed to the healthcare bill, AS WRITTEN AT THE TIME, but I have never opposed the idea.

If you think I have made the same off the wall comments as okie has, please post some of them so I know what you are talking about.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 2 Dec, 2009 04:17 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Good grief, are you blind? He has taken over GM and Chrysler


Who were failing and going under, at a time when we couldn't afford to have major industries go out of business. I would also remind you that the initial billions of dollars given to these companies came from Bush, not Obama.

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wedged in alot more influence into the banks,


Bullshit. You don't know the first thing about what you are talking about. Once again, these banks were failing and would have failed without a government bailout. All of them. It would have been a Depression. And once again, it was Bush who authorized the funds used to bail these banks out.

Quote:

and is now attempting to take over a large percentage of business in this country, otherwise known as the health care industry.


Nothing Obama is doing constitutes a 'take-over' of the health care industry. Nothing. You are merely being hyperbolic here. Nobody is proposing a Socialized health care system, or even a single-payer system; the plan they are proposing is eminently Capitalistic, going to GREAT LENGTHS to preserve the Healthcare market and the drug market. You don't seem to understand that a Radical would be proposing a system much, much different than Obama's.

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Cap and trade, thats obviously another ploy of his to try to hold sway over the energy industry in this country.


Or, to combat the climate change and pollution problems we experience. Yaknow, that big problem that affects us all, no matter whether we use a companies' products or not.

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Are you blind, cyclops, or just have selective sight and hearing to suit your own preferences. I know you are also very biased and like aspects of communism, but try to be honest about your beliefs, okay, own up to them and admit to what you know Obama is trying to do. Anybody that has any common sense and stands for personal liberty and capitalism and free enterprise, they would never support Obama, no way. You are either dishonest or naive, one or the other.


I'm neither dishonest nor naive; just better educated than you on pretty much every issue under discussion, and less paranoid. You have no real understanding of what a 'radical' would be doing, you just assign that word to policies which are no further to the Left than Republican policies have been to the Right over the last few decades.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 2 Dec, 2009 05:09 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Everybody's blind except okie, and "liberal" represents communists, Marxists, socialists, and everything evil in this world. Don't you still "get it?"
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 2 Dec, 2009 05:10 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I'm neither dishonest nor naive; just better educated than you on pretty much every issue under discussion, and less paranoid.
Cycloptichorn

Such as the climate change hoax, is that one of your areas of expertise and superior knowledge? Rolling Eyes

Uhh, I hate to tell you but your idea of being better educated is typical of liberals, but it is not true. Naivity can give you all kinds of unrealistic visions of yourself, government, and politics, cyclops.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 2 Dec, 2009 05:16 pm
@okie,
You got that? It's a liberal thing to claim "we" are better educated. Another okie claim without much to support it.

* "We" in this case is determined by okie who is all knowledgeable about our party affiliation, and where we stand politically on everything.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 2 Dec, 2009 05:49 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
I'm neither dishonest nor naive; just better educated than you on pretty much every issue under discussion, and less paranoid.
Cycloptichorn

Such as the climate change hoax, is that one of your areas of expertise and superior knowledge? Rolling Eyes


This is not material to our discussion, so why did you bring it up?

Quote:
Uhh, I hate to tell you but your idea of being better educated is typical of liberals, but it is not true.


Oh, yes it is. Absolutely. I have had to personally educate you on several issues which you knew little to nothing about, the most recent being the market crash of last Fall and the factors which lead up to it.

You rarely display anything but the most sophomoric understanding of these issues, usually fueled by chain emails and smears from Conservative websites. It is a pleasure to be able to assist in your further education, through discussion and debate - which is why I continue to engage you, despite your penchant for insulting me.

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Naivity can give you all kinds of unrealistic visions of yourself, government, and politics, cyclops.


At least I can spell Naivete correctly... you might want to check your spelling on insults in the future, it really takes the sting away when they are incorrect.

Cycloptichorn
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 2 Dec, 2009 06:00 pm
@okie,
Quote:
Such as the climate change hoax


The hoax is that somebody is going to do something about it.
roger
 
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Reply Wed 2 Dec, 2009 06:02 pm
@spendius,
It is no hoax that somebody is going to spend tons of money trying to do something about it.
okie
 
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Reply Wed 2 Dec, 2009 06:06 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

At least I can spell Naivete correctly... you might want to check your spelling on insults in the future, it really takes the sting away when they are incorrect.

Cycloptichorn

Hey, you are right on something, finally! Laughing

Well, it can be spelled naivety, so I wasn't that far off.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 2 Dec, 2009 06:13 pm
@roger,
Keep giving governments money and they will find ways of spending it. It seems to be an iron law of nature. If they invested it interest rates would be negative. They have a Niagra of taxes. (That's a Viagra joke.)
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 2 Dec, 2009 07:21 pm
@spendius,
spendi, Where have you been all these years? Governments have always spent more than revenue; that's not restricted to the US governments. It's a law of nature.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2009 12:07 pm
Ladies and gentlemen, I present the senator from Aetna.

http://www.1115.org/2009/11/23/serially-principled-opposition-to-healthcare-reform/
okie
 
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Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2009 12:22 pm
@Advocate,
I would believe anyone from Aetna before I would believe alot of government hacks, thats for sure. At least Aetna does not force me to pay them to provide their services, last I checked they do not have a monopoly. I have no intention of ever wanting to give Obama a monopoly over something he knows virtually nothing about.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2009 12:23 pm
@okie,
Does that apply to both republicans and democrats?
mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2009 06:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It should aply to everybody to Washington DC!

BTW, you made a claim about me that you havent backed up when challenged.
I thought you said you didnt do that.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2009 06:15 pm
@Advocate,
Not that I'm supporting Joe here, but this article is a joke.

I quote "Since 1989, only 10 other current senators have brought in more cash from the health sector than Lieberman, who has collected $2.6 million in that time. Senator Lieberman has accepted over $110,000 from private health insurance Aetna in campaign contributions so far this year."

#1, how many Senators have served since 1989?
#2, who are the other 9 that have brought in more money, and why isn't the focus of this article about them?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2009 07:46 pm
@maporsche,
The republicans have been trying to sink UHC by telling lies about how the cuts in Medicare will reduce services to seniors. These lies are not supported by AARP or the OMB.

Death panels, anyone? They keep trying, and repeating these lies will make them come true~!
 

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