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@Advocate,

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BS! The Republicans are like the Nazis in constantly repeating the big lie, getting the deluded and the ignorant to join their cause. For instance, the disruptions during the town hall meetings were carefully orchestrated by these latter-day Nazis to spread lies and prevent any orderly discussion of the facts.

I can't bring myself to hold such a low oppinion of the American people. Besides, most of those on the right who I know have a whole list of ways that the modern GOP is not all that it should be. These people also tend to be relatively of average intelligence as well.

We could just as easy slam the left for buying into the Obama fever, you are the pot calling the kettle black here

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye, You need to take your blinders off! Not all Americans are good people. Our country has been going downhill for several decades now; our schools are performing poorly; the rich get richer, and the poor gets poorer; our economy is on life support; we're fighting two wars in the Middle East that doesn't provide for our security - but does the opposite by making more enemies in the Middle East as occupiers of their region; the numbers of jobless continues to increase; and our government continues to spend money we don't have.

We have religious and political extremists that works against our own good and freedoms, and we also have terrorists in our midst.

Wake up and smell the coffee!

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@cicerone imposter,

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hawkeye, You need to take your blinders off! Not all Americans are good people

I am well aware of how America has slipped, and how the slippage is getting worse. But at the end of the day we all gotta believe in something, I believe in the people. I will never give up on the American people, though as you know I have no problem being intensely critical of the American people, of how we behave.

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@hawkeye10,

Nothing wrong with that! It shows you do have your eyes wide open, and can see the good, bad, and the ugly; not very many people are capable of doing that.

I hope I belong in that "group" of people who sees most of reality, not only of the US but of other countries.

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House of Reps passed the bill.

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@Diest TKO,

First step forward.

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@cicerone imposter,

any reason we should not expect the program to be ended or gutted as soon as the republicans regain the majority? They likely will, possibly soon.

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@Diest TKO,

Well done USA!!!!!!!

Crossed fingers for the rest of the way.

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@hawkeye10,

That would be strategically bad for the GOP.

This can become their new Abortion and Medicare. The new topic they will campaign on but given a majority in congress and a neocon like Bush in office they will leave in place so they can use it for future campaigns. Sure, they will pick at it, but that's all.

Most likely they will do their best to make it fail before it is going to start giving it's major returns.

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@Diest TKO,

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This can become their new Abortion and Medicare. The new topic they will campaign on but given a majority in congress and a neocon like Bush in office they will leave in place so they can use it for future campaigns

Are you aware that the Dems decided that they needed to cave on abortion in order to get the bill passed today? You seem to consistently misjudge where the people are, be it on gay rights, abortion, whatever. You disregard the strength and the legitimacy of the opposing view.

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@dlowan,

By golly, I'll second that!!!!

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@hawkeye10,

But removing it was a good idea. I've said so from the beginning. I'm very pro-choice and I wanted this out of the bill. I thought from the very first time I heard about any abortion provisions etc that it only added unneeded hurdles for this bill.

Taking it off was a part of deal with some of the conservative dems and the GOP. It helps with blow back in their regions. Strategically it makes sense in every way.

I don't disregard the strength of the opposing view, but you seem to fall for the trick here. The pro-life lobby gets to posture like this is a victory for them and yet nothing is changed.

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@Diest TKO,

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don't disregard the strength of the opposing view, but you seem to fall for the trick here. The pro-life lobby gets to posture like this is a victory for them and yet nothing is changed.

Perhaps....I have heard that there is a thriving black market for the morning after pill, it may be that abortion is now largely beyond the reach of the law.

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@hawkeye10,

Abortion is legal.

The morning after pill (RU-486) is legal.

What is black market?

Totally legal already.
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@Diest TKO,

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What is black market?

in this case the black market is a pill found on the street that is much cheaper than the one that the pharmacy would sell you, and does not require a doctor office visit billing to obtain.

I don't know how large the black market is now, but if too many road blocks are put in the way of obtaining the pill legally then it will be obtained illegally. We are on the way to doing the same thing with tobacco.

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Go Dems!

Bill got watered down a bit, but heck - we'll fix that during reconciliation!

Cycloptichorn

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@hawkeye10,

Those who buy pills on the street are stupid. They really don't know what they are buying. Only doped buy drugs on the streets. They deserve all the harm it does to them, because there is no protection when you buy drugs on the street.

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@hawkeye10,

Yikes!

I do not like the idea of this at all! I dislike this for all the same reasons I don't want women going to back alleys for abortions.

Seems like any black market knock-off generic pills could be shut down by improving accessibility to the real deal.

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@Diest TKO,

Hear, hear! It was a great day yesterday. Soon, we will not have 47,000 people a year dying from lack of coverage. The Reps have once again exposed themselves to be the party of the fat cats, caring little about the lower classes.

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@Advocate,

What's surprising about their actions is the simple fact that it also affects republicans/conservatives. I guess most of them are masochists.

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