IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

Well, it's only required if you wish your comments to carry any meaning. That, of course, is up to you. I am not adverse to accepting criticism; if you believe I criticize Okie for the sorts of things I engage in myself, point out what those things are, and I will consider what you say. If not, though -

I might as well call you a poopy-head and run away laughing; it would be intellectually similar to your comments regarding me today.

Cycloptichorn

Conservatives would never follow the likes of Mao. They follow such people as Beck, Limbaugh, and Palin. God help the USA should the conservatives regain power.

We deserve it; we have become a country divided.

Uhh, I would rather follow Limbaugh, Beck, and Palin a thousand times than Mao Tse Tung even once. Your post illustrates why conservatism is needed big time. I guess you are also an admirer of Mao Tse Tung as well? For others reading this thread, it seems to me that the leftists here are becoming a bit bolder, actually becoming more open with their beliefs, now openly admirers of communists like Mao Tse Tung. Very interesting. I think the election of Obama has emboldened the leftists in this country to actually think their philosophies can survive the light of day. They must of course demonize and try to marginalize anyone that stands for liberty and freedom, such as Limbaugh, Beck, and Palin.

Lets see now, cyclops has now claimed conservatives admire Mao Tse Tung? This must be the tactic of accusing their opposition of doing what they do, the same old tactic out of the leftist playbook?

To review, cyclops says he has refuted my claim that Obama did not speak the truth when he claimed his daughter had meningitus. And even though he claims he provided evidence of his claim with a link, the link contains no evidence that I could find that supported Obama's claim. In fact, I have seen no evidence that she had meningitus, and his own wife is on record saying that it turned out to not be meningitus. It appears to cyclops has a very big credibility problem on this issue, as Obama does of course, not only this issue but many. Until cyclops can actually provide some evidence, I will await an apology, but of course I don't think it will ever happen.

Here is the Anita Dunn video on Mao Tse Tung.

Again, for the umpteenth time, get this through your thick head, I hate nobody, I do not hate Obama, I disagree with the man and I think he is the wrong man to be president of our dear country. Got that? It should be simple, okay, try it. Get it through your thick head, cyclops. Disagreement is not hatred, okay.

P.S. Anita Dunn is a nutcase, another one of several advising Obama. The Reverend Wright was not an anomaly, that is becoming more and more evident every single day. These are the people Obama chooses to surround himself with, the people he looks to and apparently trusts. We are in trouble, folks.

And this woman is "Communications Director!" of all things. All of this seems like a dream. I would never have dreamed some of this stuff could happen or would happen. Our only hope is to roll back the Democratic majority next election, but bank on it, the leftists and all of their organization will try anything to prevent that from happening. They have tasted more power and they have no intention of giving it up. I would not be surprised at much of anything that they may try between now and then.

Do you deny that the Conservatives - well, Republicans anyway - that were listed in my link, made the quotes that I alleged they do?

Cycloptichorn

What I still find interesting - coming back to the thread's topic - is that America’s Obama-bashers don’t pick up on the German ()and those of counties, who've got similar plans) plan for fodder (and others don't seem to consider it, too).
For one, it works, and two, it’s not strictly “government-run” (i.e. "socialist", which, however, okie and cohorts will deny).

Since we've got now a centre-right government (well, we will get it, the CDU/CSU [Christian Democratic (Social) Unnion, our conservatives, and the FDP [Free Democratic Party, the liberals], we'll get some changes in our current system: you can more easier switch from the mandatory system to a private insurer (= waiting time just one year instead of three as previously) and some changes in the long-term care insurance ("capital cover") will happen.

Not that it would matter to you, but from what I've seen - including the "evidence" presented by you - Obama never made that claim. He said that Sasha "was diagnosed with meningitis".


No, she isn't. She's on record saying "So we fortunately were able to take her to our pediatrician that next morning. He examined her and said something's wrong. We didn't know what. But he told us that she could have meningitis. So we were terrified. He said, get to the emergency room right away. And fortunately for us, things worked out, because she is now the Sasha that we all know and love today."

Saying that someone "could have meningitus" is in no way the same thing as diagnosing it as meningitus. To try to explain it here to the slow to catch on, if somebody is diagnosed with cancer, that is totally totally different than a doctor saying that somebody might have cancer, and thus is ordering some tests. I realize also that a diagnosis could be wrong if it is premature, but typically a doctor will conduct tests that are conclusive before he will give what is known as a diagnosis. In the case of Obama's daughter, the tests had not been run, but when they were, it apparently showed she did not have meningitus. There is no evidence that a diagnosis of meningitus was ever given. There is a reason doctors order tests, they often suspect what is the cause of illness, but a suspicion or the statement of a possibility is a far cry from a diagnosis. As I understand it, the doctor never made that diagnosis, never. This is really a very simple matter of Obama making a false statement. He lied, either knowingly or unknowingly, either he lied knowing he was lying, or he really did not know what he was talking about. The second possibility is almost as bad as the first.

The news that Obama makes false statements is not a surprise to many of us, as many examples can be given, so this little incident is not an anomaly, but it is a very clearcut one that liberals try to explain away but simply cannot.

Now, I know many of you here will apparently defend Obama no matter how clear it is that the man makes false statements repeatedly. This is but one of many.

Frankly I did not read all of your links. Are there any so-called conservatives that have said they admired Chairman Mao? A person could quote the devil, but it doesn't mean that person admires him.

By the way, what are the historians latest number of millions that Chairman Mao is responsible for their deaths? A few tens of millions I believe. I find it incredible that any member of the administration could be quoted as being an admirer of Mao and still be allowed to keep their job. Thats akin to someone saying they are an admirer ot Joseph Stalin or Adolf Hitler. And would cyclops hunt up some quotes of them by a so called conservative, and expect us to believe they admired them? These are truly incredible times we are living in. It seems like a dream. And some of the opinions posted here by liberals are truly bordering on the bizarre to unbelievable.

Let's take note that you have made two false statements: that Obama claimed that Sasha had meningitis, and that Michelle Obama stated that she didn't.

Look, this is really the problem I have with your style of accusing the Obamas: you throw out wild accusations, make wild claims about supposed contradictory statements, and when faced with the actual quotes of what has been said, you don't even find it necessary to acknowledge that what has been said wasn't entirely what you claimed has been said.

Now, on the topic of meningitis:


As far as I know, the problem with meningitis is that, while it is a dangerous, potentially lethal disease, the symptoms can be quite ambiguous, particularly in small children. It requires immediate attention, and yet the only way to give a conclusive diagnosis is to perform a spinal tap.

In regard to Sasha's case: maybe treatment was started based on a preliminary diagnosis while the hospital was waiting for the test results. I don't know what happened, and neither do you. Not that that wouldn't stop you from throwing around accusations based on nothing but a few sound bites that you didn't even cite correctly.


Yes, that's what the New York Times wrote. I have no reason to doubt the veracity of their article, but it doesn't necessarily contradict the Obama's actual statement.


And there is no evidence that a diagnosis of meningitis wasn't given at any point. Look, you're the one making these accusations. If you acknowledge that we can't possibly know whether or not a preliminary, possibly false diagnosis was given and whether or not treatment was or wasn't started based on that, I'll completely agree with you.

However, if you want to claim that at no point in time Sasha was even preliminarily diagnosed with meningitis, then you better back that up with some evidence.


Based on what evidence?


No, this is a simply matter of you making accusations without presenting any kind of evidence to back up those accusations.

So far you have claimed that

• Obama said that Sasha had meningitis (when he actually said that she was diagnosed with meningitis)
  
• Michelle Obama stated that it wasn't meningitis (when it was actually the NYT who made that statement in an article)
  
• The doctor never made a diagnosis of meningitis (when you have presented no evidence for that claim whatsoever)
  

All of this, coming from you, is quite rich.

Very twisted and convoluted defense, oe.

Here is about all the information we need to know:

"We're going to pass a health care plan
written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it,
passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts itself from it,
signed by a president who also hasn't read it and who smokes,
with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes,
overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and
financed by a country that's nearly broke.

What could possibly go wrong??"

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/10/bright-side-of-health-plan.html

What could possibly? Bush the drug-head/alcoholic started a war on false info that's still on-going (longer than WWII), and was responsible for the worst recession since the great depression!

Yes, please tell us about it?

Yes. I found the video earlier. I posted the actual quotes that can be found in the video in an earlier post.

There's Michelle Obama telling the story about how their pediatrician told them that Sasha could have meningitis, and Barack Obama saying that Sasha was diagnosed with meningitis when she was just three months old.

No evidence that a diagnosis of meningitis was never made.

A doctor telling you that your daughter "could have meningitis" is not a diagnosis, oe. Again, as I have said before, I don't know if Obama lied intentionally or he is just plain ignorant of what happened, perhaps due to a basic lack of knowledge about health issues, etc.

If you are confused about the definition of a medical diagnosis, oe, the following clearly explains that a diagnosis is not a vague statement of something "could be," it is rather based upon the distinct identification of a disease based upon a systematic review of all the evidence, including test results.

Identification of a condition, disease, disorder, or problem by systematic analysis of the background or history, examination of the signs or symptoms, evaluation of the research or test results, and investigation of the assumed or probable causes. Effective prognosis is not possible without effective diagnosis.
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/diagnosis.html

Whereas your former leader used to lie with abandon, and you never once called him out on it; not once did I see you accuse Bush of being a liar, nor any Republican in Congress, not even when the evidence was plain as day.

Isn't there some point where you take a look at yourself and say, hey; enough is enough?

Cycloptichorn