IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

oof, early morning editing, not good

it should read

regardless of how it's paid for, maybe it's time folks took a more pragmatic look at how much better it might be to let granny go as opposed to keeping her alive if the outcome is a forgone conclusion

We're all goina die anyway . . . Why should everybody else go broke for your care when the conclusion is goinna be the same?

Misinformed and angry teabagger protesters of health care reform reached a new low during a recent town hall meeting held by Congressman Frank Pallone (D-NJ), when an angry mob heckled a woman in a wheelchair. The woman was telling her congressman of her plight, where she was afraid of losing her home because of crippling prescription medication costs.
The angry mob came to the town hall meeting equipped with stubborn pride in their ignorance, holding signs representing all of the falsehoods and anti-Obama slogans advanced by Republicans and the health insurance industry, including death panels, Communism and socialized medicine.

The woman in the wheelchair has two incurable autoimmune diseases and as she was explaining her problems with health insurance, the crowd tried to drown the poor woman out, shouting, “Ask a question!”

One of the loudest and meanest looking hecklers later said, that he didn’t come to the meeting to listen to other people’s opinions. And then lamented the fact that a woman in a wheelchair has more rights than he does.

One heckler said to Rep Pallone: “You should have been aborted!” One woman stood to ask for help saying her disabled daughter was dropped from her blind husband’s insurance plan. One angry protester shouted, “It’s your fault!”

Another teabagger told a reporter from the Star Ledger to “send his paper to Cuba, they are out of toilet paper there.”

One heckler said to Rep Pallone: “You should have been aborted!” ...

djjd62 wrote:

oof, early morning editing, not good

it should read

regardless of how it's paid for, maybe it's time folks took a more pragmatic look at how much better it might be to let granny go as opposed to keeping her alive if the outcome is a forgone conclusion

We're all goina die anyway so why even go to the doctor, period? This applies to more than granny, how about yourself, you ain't goin to survive, so why the big deal? Its a forgone conclusion you aint gotta chance. Why should everybody else go broke for your care when the conclusion is goinna be the same?

Nobody is going to 'go broke' under the health care reforms being discussed now.

Damn, at the end of the day, it's all about Greed with you guys. Always is. Don't know why I'm surprised, it always circles around to the fact that you don't want your hard-earned money helping anyone else. It's a little sad.
Cycloptichorn

thinking there is enough greed to go around in both camps

The House bill is certain to add significantly to already large government deficits - even with the planned huge cuts to Medicare - and this was confirmed by the CBO.

According to CBO’s and JCT’s assessment, enacting H.R. 3200 would result in a net increase in the federal budget deficit of $239 billion over the 2010-2019 period. That estimate reflects a projected 10-year cost of the bill’s insurance coverage provisions of $1,042 billion, partly offset by net spending changes that CBO estimates would save $219 billion over the same period, and by revenue provisions that JCT estimates would increase federal revenues by about $583 billion over those 10 years.

There are several other possibilities - you just don't consider or recognize them.

You have openly acknowledged your belief that passage of such a government health care reform plan would create a sufficiently large cadre of dependent beneficiaries to give the Democrats a permanent majority among voters.

We have already seen in the cases of Medicaid and Medicare the near impossibility of either accurately forecasting or containing the costs of public entitlement programs. Indeed a large element of our current problem is the huge expansion of demand for medical services created by these entitlement programs without any parallel effort to increase the supply of providers. Indeed government today in many areas actively works to limit the construction of new hospitals or clinical facilities - this in a nonsensical effort to contain costs.

Now President Obama assures us that a Democrat Congress (almost) firmly in the hands of the extreme liberals, who themselves created the current dislocations in our health care delivery system, will this time not only correct its past errors but also deliver us something that works and won't raise the national debt. Interestingly the Administration recently raised its ten year forecast for the growth of the national debt, indicating a doubling in the next ten years.

It doesn't take much more than common sense to recognize all this as self-serving double talk and duplicity.

I would agree that there is indeed an element of greed in all of this. However, I think it is mostly on your side.

Cyclo, The CBO numbers look very convincing, but I don't trust them to be able to forecast the cost/deficit that far into the future - simply because there is no way to forecast our economy that far ahead