IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

@OCCOM BILL,

Not sufficient, but thanks for trying.

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/25/specter-says-introduce-legislation-ban-veterans-guide-end-life-care/?test=latestnews?test=latestnews

"Specter Says He May Introduce Legislation to Ban Veterans' Guide on End-of-Life Care
The controversial guide at the Department of Veterans Affairs, called "Your Life, Your Choices," was suspended under the Bush administration but has been revived under the Obama administration.

Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter said Tuesday he may introduce legislation to "prohibit" the use of a controversial end-of-life care guide used by the Veterans Administration that critics say sends a "hurry-up-and-die" message to injured troops.

The guide, called "Your Life, Your Choices," was suspended under the Bush administration but has been revived by veterans officials in the Obama administration.

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@Cycloptichorn,

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But, the basics are: 8% tax on companies which don't offer health care

And that would put the company I work for out of business.
The man I work for has 6 employees total.
He does not offer health insurance at all, but I do have it through my wifes work.

So how is putting him out of business going to help anything?
And what about the thousands of other small businesses that only have 5 or 6 employees?

That 8% tax sounds like a real bad idea to me.

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@FreeDuck,

FreeDuck wrote:

maporsche wrote:

So I'm sure that before you'll support Obama and the Democrat's healthcare proposal, you'll want a full and detailed accounting of how the bill will be deficit neutral, right?

Whether I support it depends on which one comes out of committee and yes, I will be wanting a full and detailed accounting of how it will be paid for. I don't necessarily demand that it be deficit neutral itself, but I would like to see the deficit reduced elsewhere to make up for it. For me it's about priorities.

I see we're very much in agreement, at least for the moment. I really fear that whatever comes out of committee is going to go straight to the vote, without anyone wasting time on any more 'town meetings', or further discussion.

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@mysteryman,

Here in Germany, like in most other European countries, the employer pays about half of the health insurance (in Germany now since more than 120 years).

This didn't put anyone out of business to my knowledge.

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@okie,

Spector's legislation is all the more reason for a Dem to replace him in the coming Dem primary. Final-days advice is critically important to everyone, and is the best service that can be given everyone, not just vets.

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@mysteryman,

Your employer, like his competition, can pass on the 8 % tax to customers.

The days of borrow and spend are over (I hope).

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

Quote:
But, the basics are: 8% tax on companies which don't offer health care

And that would put the company I work for out of business.
The man I work for has 6 employees total.
He does not offer health insurance at all, but I do have it through my wifes work.

So how is putting him out of business going to help anything?
And what about the thousands of other small businesses that only have 5 or 6 employees?

That 8% tax sounds like a real bad idea to me.

There are subsidies for small businesses who can't afford the full 8%; so it isn't going to put anyone out of business.

Cycloptichorn

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

The days of borrow and spend are over (I hope).

Do you live in fantasy land? Obama is spending more than any president in history, and wants to spend more. The deficit is threatening 2 trillion this year, and they continue to underestimate the problems. And do not claim this is Bush's deficit, Obama owns it.

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@Advocate,

Final days wishes, fine, but this is beyond that by far, it contains suggestions that vets are a burden on society and their families and maybe they should consider getting out of the way, and it is more than about life support, it is about nursing homes, etc. There are big reasons, like compassion, that Bush threw this policy out.

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@okie,

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4967/outrageous.jpg

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@old europe,

Total cost 1 trillion, dream on. You do live in fantasy land, oe.

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@old europe,

That pictures worth a thousand words; conservatives would rather spend trillions on wars that kills hundreds of thousands innocent people and destroy their infrastructure rather than our own people's good health.

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@cicerone imposter,

We could have let Hitler kill a few tens more millions, or Stalin, or whatever else corrupt dictator. Even your fellow lib, FDR, finally saw the necessity of trying to prevent that.

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@okie,

okie, We're not talking about Germany.

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@okie,

It's a cartoon. It's meant to illustrate that many conservatives have no problem at all with multi-trillion-dollar government deficit spending, as long as they agree with what the money's being spent on.

You still support the Iraq War, don't you?

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@roger,

roger wrote:

I see we're very much in agreement, at least for the moment. I really fear that whatever comes out of committee is going to go straight to the vote, without anyone wasting time on any more 'town meetings', or further discussion.

OF COURSE that's what's going to happen Roger. Everything Obama has done in these 8 months has been "rush, rush, rush, rush, do it NOW". By the time something comes out of congress it will be voted on and signed before anyone has a chance to review it.

This whole government is sickening me (and honestly, more than Bush's government ever did); maybe it's because I voted for them and they're letting me down tremendously, I don't know.

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

It's a cartoon. It's meant to illustrate that many conservatives have no problem at all with multi-trillion-dollar government deficit spending, as long as they agree with what the money's being spent on.

You still support the Iraq War, don't you?

Thankfully there are honest left leaning individuals out here, like myself and the blue dogs in Congress, that have a problem with both.

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

It's a cartoon. It's meant to illustrate that many conservatives have no problem at all with multi-trillion-dollar government deficit spending, as long as they agree with what the money's being spent on.

You still support the Iraq War, don't you?

First of all, the term "deficit" generally refers to annual deficit, not national debt, which is the value calculated in trillions. To my knowledge, this is the first time the "deficit" has exceeded a trillion, so your statement is at least misleading if not totally false. Bush's deficits for the eight years combined will not equal Obama's in one single year.

For your information, national defense is a foremost duty of the federal government, ranked above entitlements, after all if we are not kept safe and alive, medical care will do us no good. In regard to the Iraq War, I teetered on a decision, I decided to back the president as Congress did, except I did not stab the man in the back like Congress and turn tail when the going got rough. As for now, I agree that it is time the Iraqis step up to the plate, we have given them a chance, it is their time to seize the moment. I agree with the way the Bush administration handled the war, they reached an agreement to withdraw, as Obama continues to carry out.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, We're not talking about Germany.

Just so you are aware of it, there were flaming libs and socialists / communists also protesting against us taking up arms and opposing Hitler in WW II, that is until they realized Hitler had attacked Russia.

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