IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

...So far the initiave appears to have been in the hands of the committed true believers in the ability of the "progressive" cognoscenti to figure out what is good for the rest of us.

there's nothing wrong with keeping an eye on what's going on.

the hardest part of being observant is to not jump the gun. that's why i feel like it's better to watch for yourself than to going wild because this guy said this, or that guy said that. it's a given that either one, on either side has an agenda.

so far, obama has pretty much gone with what he said he wanted to do during the elections. there's no surprises there for anyone that listened to what he was saying back then.

I really don't care or worry much about someone who, for any reason - good or bad, believes it is best to leave me alone to do what I want. It is those who wish to prescribe for me what I must do or limit my choices that concern me.

georgeob1 wrote:

I really don't care or worry much about someone who, for any reason - good or bad, believes it is best to leave me alone to do what I want. It is those who wish to prescribe for me what I must do or limit my choices that concern me.

then would you support a national health program that neither prescribes or limits choices ?

if it is something that doesn't really impact you, and it makes decent health available to those who don't have it in the existing set up, i don't see a down side.

I just heard a tape of Obama speaking at a meeting about health care reform, and he basically said something like - when you hear people say we want to create a system that a bureaucracy gets involved, coming between you and your doctor, it is "simply not true."

Now, I have to conclude, the man is a piece of work, he either thinks we are dumb, or he is just plain dumb, or he is a liar, a slickster, or all of the above. The guy simply is not credible, he tells whoppers so easily, I thought slickster Clinton was the expert, but this guy is giving him a good run for his money. I guess he expects people to take what he says as true simply because he says it. If you create a bureaucracy for health care, it is a bureaucracy involved in your health care, criminy, the man is a nutcase.

He didn't say that they weren't creating a bureaucracy, he said that they won't come between 'you and your doctor.' Yaknow, the way the current health-care bureaucracy does.

Accuracy is important, Okie, you might want to practice it some.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

He didn't say that they weren't creating a bureaucracy, he said that they won't come between 'you and your doctor.' Yaknow, the way the current health-care bureaucracy does.

Accuracy is important, Okie, you might want to practice it some.

Cycloptichorn

Life expectancy at birth (years)

1. Japan " 82.6
38. USA " 78.2

World Health Organization’s ranking of the world’s health systems (2000)

1. France
37. USA

Now I don’t know why quitters like Sarah Palin and second-raters like Newt Gingrich don’t think Americans are smart enough and tough enough to beat the goddamn French and Japanese on living the longest. But I for one say that we can do it. And if those asswipes don’t **** it up with their whining and their second-guessing, we’re sure as hell GOING to do it.

Goddammit, this is the country that marched into France and took care of their Nazi problem for ‘em! And now Sarah Palin is telling us that those Frogs are better than us at kicking the **** out of germs and cancer and friggin’ heart disease? The **** they are! That goddamn Wasilla quitter may be scared of a challenge, but I’ll put my money on real Americans having the stones to square off against a bunch of existential philosophers.

Who’s with me?

This is the country whose president challenged us to play golf on the goddamn moon. And we did it! Did the Japanese play golf on the moon? Don’t make me ******* laugh. And now snivelling pussies like Sean Hannity are just ready to roll over and concede that those same Japanese have almost FIVE ******* YEARS more piss-and-vinegar in them than Americans? Alan Shepard would beat Sean Hannity down with a ******* 7-iron if he were alive today. In a full spacesuit. Audie Murphy would take one look at that quivering little sissy and Hannity would be shitting himself out of Rush Limbaugh’s asshole. ******* Liberace got more legitimate pussy than Hannity, Limbaugh, O’Reilly and Beck combined.

But I digress.

Right now, there’s 37 countries ahead of us on the life expectancy list. And every goddamn one is full of people who are happy to watch a sport that always ends in a tie. I don’t know what major malfunction makes Republicans such crybabies that they’re afraid to man up against ******* SOCCER but real Americans like games where SOMEBODY ALWAYS WINS AND SOMEBODY ELSE ALWAYS LOSES. Sports that involve broken necks and bitten-off ears and concussions and knees that bend backwards at sickening angles. Real Americans are in it to win it and they know that being No. 38 in the biggest game of them all IS NOT ******* CUTTING IT.

So you can listen to Sarah Palin and Chuck Grassley and James Inhofe and Michelle Malkin and all the rest of the hapless assholes who are apparently content to be second-rate schmucks, just pleased as all hell to be the Washington ******* Generals of the world stage.

Or you can get on board with what America used to be about, what America still ought to be about and goddamit, what America’s gonna be about again pretty goddamn soon. They say we can’t. I say we can. They say we’re doomed to be frail little timid things that cave into death before a bunch of Europeans and Asians and even the ******* Canadians. I say that if we put our minds and our hearts into it, we can have it all and still come out the winner in this contest. I say we’re Americans, goddamit, and we can figure out how to drink and smoke whatever the hell we want and eat all the crappy food we want, and **** and gamble and party and do tons of blow, and STILL look the Grim Reaper in the eye and tell that morbid douchebag to go **** himself.

And if you’re a real American, I bet you think that too.

He didn't say that they weren't creating a bureaucracy, he said that they won't come between 'you and your doctor.' Yaknow, the way the current health-care bureaucracy does.

Accuracy is important, Okie, you might want to practice it some.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

He didn't say that they weren't creating a bureaucracy, he said that they won't come between 'you and your doctor.' Yaknow, the way the current health-care bureaucracy does.

Accuracy is important, Okie, you might want to practice it some.

Cycloptichorn

You are dead wrtong here.

Do you believe that MEDICARE & MEDICAID don't "come between you and your doctor" in precisely the same way as do private insurance programs???? Both equally set external limits on the amount they will pay for services and on just what services are "allowed". The fact is that most government programs pay less for most services than do private insurance firms, making doctors & other providers less eager to take their patients and cut various corners in delivering their care.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

He didn't say that they weren't creating a bureaucracy, he said that they won't come between 'you and your doctor.' Yaknow, the way the current health-care bureaucracy does.

Accuracy is important, Okie, you might want to practice it some.

Cycloptichorn

You are dead wrtong here.

Do you believe that MEDICARE & MEDICAID don't "come between you and your doctor" in precisely the same way as do private insurance programs???? Both equally set external limits on the amount they will pay for services and on just what services are "allowed". The fact is that most government programs pay less for most services than do private insurance firms, making doctors & other providers less eager to take their patients and cut various corners in delivering their care.

No, I don't believe that Medicare and Medicaid come between you and your doctor in precisely the same way as private insurance does. And if you do want me to believe it, I challenge you to link to some goddamn evidence for once, instead of relying wholly on assertion for every argument you make.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

No, I don't believe that Medicare and Medicaid come between you and your doctor in precisely the same way as private insurance does. And if you do want me to believe it, I challenge you to link to some goddamn evidence for once, instead of relying wholly on assertion for every argument you make.

Cycloptichorn

Very strange,

Do you need "a link" to know that both MEDICARE and private insurance set limits on what procedures they cover and how much they will pay? Do you need "a link" to know that government sets arbitrary caps on its payments and that they are generally lower than those set by private plans? Are you aware that our president vows to reduce those limits even further?

Frankly I don't care at all whether you believe it. If you say you don't you are merely demonstrating your foolishness.