IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

Hi McG, I know you're ignorant about many things, so I'll let you compare the cost of surgery in the US and India. Some of the examples:
..................................US.............India
Hip replacement.........$24,000..... $6,300
Hip resurfacing...........$48,000..... $7,000
Face lift......................$20,000.....$3,100
Coronary Angioplasty. $41,000.....$3,500

McG, You may need that face lift to hide your embarassment, you ignorant so and so.

HERE

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Oh, BTW, that swishing sound you heard was your brain leaving your cranium.

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Miller wrote:

So this patient lacked funds for US health insurance, but he had $18,000 for a procedure in India??

Miller's quote wrote:

When Roger Wertanen sought relief from back pain by way of a medical device from Fridley-based Medtronic, the southeast Minnesota resident flew to India to get it.

That's because the device is an artificial disk that isn't approved for use in the U.S., but it is available in India, Germany and some other countries.
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Cost is the primary motive for many Americans who travel abroad for care, usually because they lack health insurance coverage for their chosen procedure.

You get such for free here, covered by our compulsory insurance.
(Quite interesting aside: since one of our two local hospitalsdoes such operation, and since they send their post-operation patients to the rehabilitation clinic here, we get now quite a few foreigners staying in our village :wink: )

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I cant help but notice a contradiction going on.
Many of you that seem to advocate universal health care,run by the govt,are the same people that dont want the govt in your life,dont trust the govt to run the war,dont want them monitopring your overseas phone calls, etc.

Yet you seem perfectly willing to believe they can run your health care.

That seems like a contradiction to me.

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Well, I wouldn't like the government to run my health care.
Not at all (and they never did here), just to clarify.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Hi McG, I know you're ignorant about many things, so I'll let you compare the cost of surgery in the US and India. Some of the examples:
..................................US.............India
Hip replacement.........$24,000..... $6,300
Hip resurfacing...........$48,000..... $7,000
Face lift......................$20,000.....$3,100
Coronary Angioplasty. $41,000.....$3,500

McG, You may need that face lift to hide your embarassment, you ignorant so and so.

HERE

It's obvious you missed the point because you keep on talking the same ****.

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McG, Miller, you just don't get it. You ain't going to get insurance if you have a preexisting condition.

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mysteryman wrote:

I cant help but notice a contradiction going on.
Many of you that seem to advocate universal health care,run by the govt,are the same people that dont want the govt in your life,dont trust the govt to run the war,dont want them monitopring your overseas phone calls, etc.

Yet you seem perfectly willing to believe they can run your health care.

That seems like a contradiction to me.

Ah, the contradiction you seem to notice is based on a wrong assumption. Universal health care does not have to be the same as socialized health care, and a universal health care system does not have to be a single payer system.

Universal health care means that everybody is insured, and has access to health care. There are systems with statutory health insurance that are not run by the government which seem to do a pretty good job.

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Miller wrote:

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parados wrote:
Is the US health care system really the best?

Cost is the primary motive for many Americans who travel abroad for care, usually because they lack health insurance coverage for their chosen procedure.

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http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_6352534?source=rv&nclick_
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So this patient lacked funds for US health insurance, but he had $18,000 for a procedure in India??

He had insurance. You might try reading the story...

In some cases insurance won't cover the procedure. The story explains that.

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old europe, As we have witnessed here, many people make wrong assumptions and think they understand what they're talking about - which they don't. Ignorance is devine! No matter how many times we repeat what universal health care is all about, they fear what "socialized medicine" will do to our health care system.

Once their brain is fixed on something, it seems nothing will change it.

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old europe wrote:

mysteryman wrote:
I cant help but notice a contradiction going on.
Many of you that seem to advocate universal health care,run by the govt,are the same people that dont want the govt in your life,dont trust the govt to run the war,dont want them monitopring your overseas phone calls, etc.

Yet you seem perfectly willing to believe they can run your health care.

That seems like a contradiction to me.

Ah, the contradiction you seem to notice is based on a wrong assumption. Universal health care does not have to be the same as socialized health care, and a universal health care system does not have to be a single payer system.

Universal health care means that everybody is insured, and has access to health care. There are systems with statutory health insurance that are not run by the government which seem to do a pretty good job.

And in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts , which now has Universal Health Care, the cost to the average adult, not covered by an employer, ranges from $300-$700/month.
Rates are determined by age of partcipant and locale of residence within Massachusetts.

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okie wrote:

... Anyone expecting perfection here is a bit overly optimistic.

You got that right but do the others realize this?

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Ignorance is devine

Since we're all aiming for perfection on this forum, the correct spelling should be divine, notdevine.

Very Happy

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Well, I wouldn't like the government to run my health care.
Not at all (and they never did here), just to clarify.

Is smoking banned in public places in Germany?

How about trans-fat? Is this banned in restaurants??

Shocked

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Miller wrote:

Is smoking banned in public places in Germany?

How about trans-fat? Is this banned in restaurants??

I don't know why asking questions shocks you, but .... well, never mind.

("not devine" are two words, btw.)

No, smoking isn't banned in public places in Germany .... but - such is state's affair - most states have regulations about smoking in official buildings, restaurants, pubs etc.

(Banning smoking is one of Hitler's ideas: it finally was banned in most German offices in 1938; Jena university had the first ever university institute researching the relation of smoking and health etc, founded by the 30's as well: the researchers were the first to establish - beyond clinical anecdote - the causal link between smoking and lung cancer. [Two studies, one published in 1939, the other in 1943, compared the smoking habits of people with lung cancer and those without it.])

The use (or not use) is until now only minimally regulated.

However, this has nothing to do with our system of health insurances ...

Btw, Miller, did you overread the various corrections to your wriong statements above?

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"wriong"?

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McGentrix wrote:

"wriong"?

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old europe wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
"wriong"?

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Referring to Walter?

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did you overread the various corrections to your wriong statements above?

Wriong statements? Mine? I've never made a wriongstatement in my entire life. Razz

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McGentrix wrote:

old europe wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
"wriong"?

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Referring to Walter?

Wouldn't that be wriong?

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