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SEC. 122. ESSENTIAL BENEFITS PACKAGE DEFINED.

(b) MINIMUM SERVICES TO BE COVERED."The
items and services described in this subsection are the fol
lowing:

(1) Hospitalization.
(2) Outpatient hospital and outpatient clinic
services, including emergency department services.
(3) Professional services of physicians and other
health professionals.
(4) Such services, equipment, and supplies inci
dent to the services of a physician’s or a health pro
fessional’s delivery of care in institutional settings,
physician offices, patients’ homes or place of resi
dence, or other settings, as appropriate.
(5) Prescription drugs.
(6) Rehabilitative and habilitative services.
(7) Mental health and substance use disorder
services.
(8) Preventive services, including those services
recommended with a grade of A or B by the Task
Force on Clinical Preventive Services and those vac
cines recommended for use by the Director of the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
(9) Maternity care.
(10) Well baby and well child care and oral
health, vision, and hearing services, equipment, and
supplies at least for children under 21 years of age.

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@Debra Law,

What on earth does all that mean in practice?

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

What on earth does all that mean in practice?

It means dental and vision insurance for people under 21 guaranteed.

Only in America, do they separate dental, vision and health insurance, to the degree that a comprehensive health plan requires additional insurance to get a tooth pulled. It's asinine.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

I'll say it is.

You made me laugh Cyclo.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

I suppose you can find just about anything on the web. However President Obama has certainly not suggested the tax increase you cite. Indeed he has never (to my knowledge) even suggested a 45% tax bracket, and has instead repeatedly assured the public that he can fund the plan by repeal of the Bush tax cuts, some "efficiency" savings in medicare and perhaps a surcharge on taxes for the wealthy (under definitions that keep changing) as well as various proposed surtaxes on folks who presently have health insurance.

The healthcare bills making their way through congress are all published on the Senate's and House's websites. I know for a fact that at least one of them does include such an income tax hike. I'm writing from a Kinko's in Manhattan, so don't have the time to dig out the bill -- you'll have to take my word for it or check yourself.

georgeob1 wrote:

Common sense tells us that the government can't "create" efficiency in health care (or anything else).

Says you. I, by contrast, look at how America's healthcare costs, and the benefits in form of public health metrics, compare with other countries' systems, and find that common sense does tell us exactly that.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Bullshit; you have no evidence that anyone sent her or anyone else to the meetings. You're simply making things up.

Cycloptichorn

Thats always what you say. Oh no, Obama would never plant anyone at a town meeting, would he? ha ha ha ha, if you believe that, you would believe almost anything. Even ci admits Obama has lied to us. He lies through his teeth constantly.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

How do you think the current growing deficit is going to impact our economy in the future?

I disagree with the premise of your question. If healthcare reform is financed by tax increases, as I expect it will be, there is no reason to think it will increase the budget deficit.

Other than that, I don't expect that the deficit will continue to grow once the economy recovers. Once the economy recovers, I expect tax revenues will return to normal, stimulus programs will run out, and that's that.

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@ossobuco,

osso, Did you see Debra's post on

Quote:

SEC. 122. ESSENTIAL BENEFITS PACKAGE DEFINED?

I think that's pretty inclusive.

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@cicerone imposter,

Do you now?

What does it mean?

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Bullshit; you have no evidence that anyone sent her or anyone else to the meetings. You're simply making things up.

Cycloptichorn

Thats always what you say. Oh no, Obama would never plant anyone at a town meeting, would he? ha ha ha ha, if you believe that, you would believe almost anything. Even ci admits Obama has lied to us. He lies through his teeth constantly.

Actually, I just said 'you don't have any evidence.' And he didn't, as you can see.

I didn't state that Obama would 'never do that.' I don't know if he would or not. However, I do know that you guys are defending a bad position and it isn't coming off well for you.

If you can't get over your 'Obama is out to kill us all!' conspiracy, the next 3 1/2 years are going to be real tough for you.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

truly.

even with the Calpers it's like that. although from our experience, the dental and the vision plans have not changed much at all. they still seem to be pretty good.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Yes, I have quit sugar coating the truth, Obama is a radical, and he has only begun to try to do what he would like to do, and he must be stopped. He did learn well from Saul Alinsky, which is all about taking from the haves and giving to the have nots, which is another way of saying steal from the people that work and earn what they have, and give it to his constituents or voters, to stay in power. Power of the masses, etc., it the "COMMON GOOD" rearing its ugly head again, etc.

We might as well take the gloves off, the next 3 years are not going to be easy with this guy in office.

And on another thread, Setanta and Walter have the audacity to claim Obama is a right winger! Amazing. Obama is not only a leftist that learned community organizing from the Marxist, Alinsky, but his mentor was the Reverend Wright that preached hatred of Jews, capitalism, and rich white people, and his entire religious belief was based upon Black Liberation Theology, a Marxist based or related theology.

Why anyone in his right mind in this country would support anything this guy wants to do is a total mystery. Alot of suckers I guess is the only answer.

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@Cycloptichorn,

even worse for you and me because we'll have to keep listening to all of the hysterics.

"playing the victim. priceless".

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

spendius wrote:

What on earth does all that mean in practice?

It means dental and vision insurance for people under 21 guaranteed.

Only in America, do they separate dental, vision and health insurance, to the degree that a comprehensive health plan requires additional insurance to get a tooth pulled. It's asinine.

Cycloptichorn

It means that an insurance plan, in order to qualify for placement on the health insurance exchange, must provide the essential benefits listed. The plan may also offer enhanced and premium policies. Thus, it is essential for a basic plan to provide dental and vision care for people under 21--but an enhanced or premium plan would probably provide this care for the entire family.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Yes, I have quit sugar coating the truth

Say it ain't so, okie! Oh, how I will miss all your sugar coating!

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@DontTreadOnMe,

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

even worse for you and me because we'll have to keep listening to all of the hysterics.

"playing the victim. priceless".

Don't claim you were not warned, DTOM. I doubt the American people or our system of government will enable Obama to do all that he would like, at least I hope not. I am doing all I can to warn people about this very bad apple that made it into office,based upon talking good I think was about all. And he organized communities, and hopefully a few more people will look into that and actually find out what that means, as I and fellow conservatives have done.

Call it hysterics, but its all the truth, his associations and political leanings, every bit of it is absolutely true. I know its hard to face the truth, but try it. Saul Alinsky and the Reverend Wright are not fictitious, its all there for people that care enough to find out about this guy.

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@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

okie wrote:
Yes, I have quit sugar coating the truth

Say it ain't so, okie! Oh, how I will miss all your sugar coating!

Yep, I've decided to take the gloves off. Its time we face the truth about this guy. As I said, I don't think the system will allow him to wreak as much havoc as he would if left unfettered by political constraints, but anything is possible. The history of the world teaches us that, and surely you would know that, Thomas. Criminy, you claim to be a sort of libertarian, if you are serious, you would favor voting this joker out as soon as possible.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

...the system will allow him to wreak as much havoc as he would if left unfettered by political constraints...

that right there is what i base my faith in america on, dude.

but you do realize that "the system" is "the government", right? and to not allow, as you say, is control. just to head off any "we the people" arguments, we the people is meaningless without the government to implement the charters of national foundation. in other words, somebody has to be in charge.

you'll just have to take my word for it that i have no interest in creating the U.S.S.A. and if i thought obama was, i wouldn't have voted for him. and if i believed that was what he's up to now, i'd be making my own noise about it.

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@DontTreadOnMe,

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

you'll just have to take my word for it that i have no interest in creating the U.S.S.A. and if i thought obama was, i wouldn't have voted for him. and if i believed that was what he's up to now, i'd be making my own noise about it.

I take your opinions seriously, you seem to be honest, so I would say this about my opinion. I don't like to be involved in conspiracy theories, I have never gone down that road very far, however, I will temper that with a couple observations. First, alot of bad stuff has happened in history, beyond what normal people could ever imagine might happen before they did happen, so I am now considering that possibility. Secondly, I do strongly believe Marxism or communism, or various forms of socialism that may be very bad for mankind, they are still possible, basically because human nature is still the same and people, the masses, can be fooled and led down the wrong path. I am not predicting anything like this soon for the United States, but I have chosen to take seriously that Obama may believe in some pretty radical ideas. If you don't believe it, and if you haven't read about Alinsky and Wright and his religious / political beliefs, and other aspects of Obama's life and beliefs, I am telling you that I think you need to take this stuff more seriously, because they truly are very troubling, very radical, and they tell us some things not real great about Obama. The really bad stuff that happens to countries are seldom foretold very well, and commonly a great many people refuse to believe it can happen.

So I am simply telling you there are some distinctly red flags out there that we need to pay attention to. As you do, I think our political system will prevent such things from happening at their potentially worst, but there may come a time when it will not prevent it. And another point I have learned from history, events and things can occur very swiftyly once a flash point is reached. Not saying it will, but just saying the possibility does exist. I do believe that.

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@okie,

there's nothing wrong with keeping an eye on what's going on.

the hardest part of being observant is to not jump the gun. that's why i feel like it's better to watch for yourself than to going wild because this guy said this, or that guy said that. it's a given that either one, on either side has an agenda.

so far, obama has pretty much gone with what he said he wanted to do during the elections. there's no surprises there for anyone that listened to what he was saying back then.

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