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IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 01:38 pm
@mysteryman,
This is a question: you wrote
Quote:
But what happened to their promised "transparency"?


You are a f..k'g idiot!
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 01:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yes, I did.
But of you include the rest of my comments you would be able to see that it was part of a statement.

And why are you resorting to childish name calling?
Are you that insecure in your positions?

The president cannot control everything that happens under his/her watch
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 01:44 pm
@mysteryman,
Then put it in it's proper perspective. Do you know English grammar?

I resort to name calling when people deserve it. If you don't like it, you know where you can take it. In other words, shove it up your .....

I'm not a kid, and I can use any language I like.

Does it look like I'm insecure? You are an idiot, but I repeat myself!

As for "a president cannot control everything under his/her watch," Bush started this stupid war, and he's responsible for everything that happened. If he can't take responsibility for the actions taken for something he started (by lying about WMDs), he surely didn't belong in the white house.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 01:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Does it look like I'm insecure


I dont know, I cant see you.

But, judging by your language and your general attitude, you do seem to be insecure.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 01:51 pm
@mysteryman,
Your reading about people on cyberspace is about as dumb as you seem to be.

If you think you can decide anybody's security or insecurity by what's posted on any chat room, you're not too sharp.

DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 01:51 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

CI, you have it right. Not many years ago, about 55 % of employers offered health care insurance. Now it is down to about 35 %. Just try to get insurance as an individual. You would have no money left for food and rent.


which is the main reason i'm in support of some kind of government involvement. something i would normally run away from.

mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 01:58 pm
@cicerone imposter,
If you say so, but you are the one that feels the need to swear at people and call those you disagree with names.
That isnt a sign of being either secure or emotionally stable.

Since I dont think you are unstable, I choose to think you are just insecure.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 02:00 pm
@mysteryman,
So now your into psychoanalysis? You're a joke!
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 02:03 pm


IT'S NEVER A GOOD TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IN THE USA!!

DEFEAT OBAMACARE!!
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roger
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 02:05 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
I have probably sounded like I disagree with that. I don't. The questions continue to be: who pays for it, how much it costs, what it is going to deliver, and what health care is going to be available ten years or so down the road.

spendius
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 02:09 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
But you are suggesting that you can get something for nothing simply by using a form of words. If insurance is unaffordable the risks to the insurers must be such as to justify the premiums. Assuming an orderly market in insurance.

That risk does not disappear by making the government the insurer. That risk is to do with cost of treatment and numbers seeking it. Would the government reduce those costs and numbers? Well--it could by making you all live healthier lives I suppose.

Quote:
Just try to get insurance as an individual. You would have no money left for food and rent.


Is that really true?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 02:12 pm
@mysteryman,
This is how maporsche responded (the correct way):
Quote:
Not a good way at all. Especially given all the rhetoric towards transparency and reforming politics in Washington.

I had such high hopes; I guess I'm feeling more than a little let down.


I agree with maporsch 100%. He made a statement, and not a question like you did.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 06:13 pm
On my way home from my haircut this afternoon, I heard on the radio that the conservatives may have a better plan for small businesses to purchase their health plan. If that is so, the Obama administration must listen to them, and implement those parts that the conservatives feel will save everybody money. If they provide the right kind of solution that is achievable, it should be accepted into the plan.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 06:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Arent you the one that aid that repubs/conservatives werent interested in coming up with a plan, they only wanted to say "no" to Obama.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jul, 2009 06:56 pm
@mysteryman,
Hey, dummy, I just heard it today. What's your problem, dummy?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2009 08:25 am
@mysteryman,
I doubt they lied. They probably changed their minds.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2009 08:27 am
@mysteryman,
You have to admit that you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2009 09:47 am
Are profits everything?


Bill Maher
Host of HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher"
New Rule: Not Everything in America Has to Make a Profit

How about this for a New Rule: Not everything in America has to make a profit. It used to be that there were some services and institutions so vital to our nation that they were exempt from market pressures. Some things we just didn't do for money. The United States always defined capitalism, but it didn't used to define us. But now it's becoming all that we are.

Did you know, for example, that there was a time when being called a "war profiteer" was a bad thing? But now our war zones are dominated by private contractors and mercenaries who work for corporations. There are more private contractors in Iraq than American troops, and we pay them generous salaries to do jobs the troops used to do for themselves ­-- like laundry. War is not supposed to turn a profit, but our wars have become boondoggles for weapons manufacturers and connected civilian contractors.

Prisons used to be a non-profit business, too. And for good reason --­ who the hell wants to own a prison? By definition you're going to have trouble with the tenants. But now prisons are big business. A company called the Corrections Corporation of America is on the New York Stock Exchange, which is convenient since that's where all the real crime is happening anyway. The CCA and similar corporations actually lobby Congress for stiffer sentencing laws so they can lock more people up and make more money. That's why America has the world;s largest prison population ­-- because actually rehabilitating people would have a negative impact on the bottom line.

Television news is another area that used to be roped off from the profit motive. When Walter Cronkite died last week, it was odd to see news anchor after news anchor talking about how much better the news coverage was back in Cronkite's day. I thought, "Gee, if only you were in a position to do something about it."

But maybe they aren't. Because unlike in Cronkite's day, today's news has to make a profit like all the other divisions in a media conglomerate. That's why it wasn't surprising to see the CBS Evening News broadcast live from the Staples Center for two nights this month, just in case Michael Jackson came back to life and sold Iran nuclear weapons. In Uncle Walter's time, the news division was a loss leader. Making money was the job of The Beverly Hillbillies. And now that we have reporters moving to Alaska to hang out with the Palin family, the news is The Beverly Hillbillies.

And finally, there's health care. It wasn't that long ago that when a kid broke his leg playing stickball, his parents took him to the local Catholic hospital, the nun put a thermometer in his mouth, the doctor slapped some plaster on his ankle and you were done. The bill was $1.50, plus you got to keep the thermometer.

But like everything else that's good and noble in life, some Wall Street wizard decided that hospitals could be big business, so now they're run by some bean counters in a corporate plaza in Charlotte. In the U.S. today, three giant for-profit conglomerates own close to 600 hospitals and other health care facilities. They're not hospitals anymore; they're Jiffy Lubes with bedpans. America's largest hospital chain, HCA, was founded by the family of Bill Frist, who perfectly represents the Republican attitude toward health care: it's not a right, it's a racket. The more people who get sick and need medicine, the higher their profit margins. Which is why they're always pushing the Jell-O.

Because medicine is now for-profit we have things like "recision," where insurance companies hire people to figure out ways to deny you coverage when you get sick, even though you've been paying into your plan for years.

When did the profit motive become the only reason to do anything? When did that become the new patriotism? Ask not what you could do for your country, ask what's in it for Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

If conservatives get to call universal health care "socialized medicine," I get to call private health care "soulless vampires making money off human pain." The problem with President Obama's health care plan isn't socialism, it's capitalism.

And if medicine is for profit, and war, and the news, and the penal system, my question is: what's wrong with firemen? Why don't they charge? They must be commies. Oh my God! That explains the red trucks!
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2009 09:57 am
@Advocate,
good on Mr. Maher...

(george carlin could not have said it better. funnier maybe)
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2009 10:02 am
@Rockhead,
Not only that but the conservatives don't want those profit making machines to pay income taxes.

Go figure.
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