Ant-ACLU "Nativity Scene"

maporsche wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

ebrown_p & they accept religious symbols of other than Christian....why?
The menorrah & Islamist cresent in NYC & on public property.

It would help if you provided links/pictures to support your post. I am not aware of what you're referring too.

As far as your question as to why they appear to be targeting Christianity, it is simply because Christianity is the greatest offender of encroaching the seperation of church and state. If there are 100 instances of a Christian church trying to put the 10 commandments in government buildings, and 1 instance of an Islamic mosque doing the same with their rules then of course more cases will involve Christianity.

Geatest offender? Moreso than another religion that has called us thegreat satan & try to force us to their religious beliefs?
Even if that were true, that the Crristians are the greatest offenders, since you're giving a warped definition of the Constitution, there is also an equql rights clause, equality, to allow ones religious symbol & not another, is discrimination.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29942

http://www.thomasmore.org/news.html?NewsID=135

LoneStarMadam wrote:

maporsche wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

ebrown_p & they accept religious symbols of other than Christian....why?
The menorrah & Islamist cresent in NYC & on public property.

It would help if you provided links/pictures to support your post. I am not aware of what you're referring too.

As far as your question as to why they appear to be targeting Christianity, it is simply because Christianity is the greatest offender of encroaching the seperation of church and state. If there are 100 instances of a Christian church trying to put the 10 commandments in government buildings, and 1 instance of an Islamic mosque doing the same with their rules then of course more cases will involve Christianity.

Geatest offender? Moreso than another religion that has called us thegreat satan & try to force us to their religious beliefs?
Even if that were true, that the Crristians are the greatest offenders, since you're giving a warped definition of the Constitution, there is also an equql rights clause, equality, to allow ones religious symbol & not another, is discrimination.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29942

http://www.thomasmore.org/news.html?NewsID=135

They are the greatest offender. By far. That is why there are more cases of the ACLU suing over Christian religious items than others. I don't have any data to support this, but with 80% of our population claiming to be Christain, dozens of Christian groups in America pushing to get god back into our government, and priests propagandizing for government officials, I'm pretty sure I'm right.

Equal rights apply to public property. Display any religious thing you want on your land. Keep it out of OUR courthouse.

maporsche wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

maporsche wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

ebrown_p & they accept religious symbols of other than Christian....why?
The menorrah & Islamist cresent in NYC & on public property.

It would help if you provided links/pictures to support your post. I am not aware of what you're referring too.

As far as your question as to why they appear to be targeting Christianity, it is simply because Christianity is the greatest offender of encroaching the seperation of church and state. If there are 100 instances of a Christian church trying to put the 10 commandments in government buildings, and 1 instance of an Islamic mosque doing the same with their rules then of course more cases will involve Christianity.

Geatest offender? Moreso than another religion that has called us thegreat satan & try to force us to their religious beliefs?
Even if that were true, that the Crristians are the greatest offenders, since you're giving a warped definition of the Constitution, there is also an equql rights clause, equality, to allow ones religious symbol & not another, is discrimination.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29942

http://www.thomasmore.org/news.html?NewsID=135

They are the greatest offender. By far. That is why there are more cases of the ACLU suing over Christian religious items than others. I don't have any data to support this, but with 80% of our population claiming to be Christain, dozens of Christian groups in America pushing to get god back into our government, and priests propagandizing for government officials, I'm pretty sure I'm right.

Equal rights apply to public property. Display any religious thing you want on your land. Keep it out of OUR courthouse.

Nice dodge, but you did not answer to your own need of proof, provide a link, is what you wanted, you got it, now you're trying to veer this into a Chritian bashing thread. Explain the discrimination of the Jewish & Islam religious symbols being on public property but the Christian symbol, Nativity scene, not being allowed. You can't have it both ways. You brought the Constitution into the debate....

LoneStarMadam wrote:

maporsche wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

maporsche wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

ebrown_p & they accept religious symbols of other than Christian....why?
The menorrah & Islamist cresent in NYC & on public property.

It would help if you provided links/pictures to support your post. I am not aware of what you're referring too.

As far as your question as to why they appear to be targeting Christianity, it is simply because Christianity is the greatest offender of encroaching the seperation of church and state. If there are 100 instances of a Christian church trying to put the 10 commandments in government buildings, and 1 instance of an Islamic mosque doing the same with their rules then of course more cases will involve Christianity.

Geatest offender? Moreso than another religion that has called us thegreat satan & try to force us to their religious beliefs?
Even if that were true, that the Crristians are the greatest offenders, since you're giving a warped definition of the Constitution, there is also an equql rights clause, equality, to allow ones religious symbol & not another, is discrimination.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29942

http://www.thomasmore.org/news.html?NewsID=135

They are the greatest offender. By far. That is why there are more cases of the ACLU suing over Christian religious items than others. I don't have any data to support this, but with 80% of our population claiming to be Christain, dozens of Christian groups in America pushing to get god back into our government, and priests propagandizing for government officials, I'm pretty sure I'm right.

Equal rights apply to public property. Display any religious thing you want on your land. Keep it out of OUR courthouse.

Nice dodge, but you did not answer to your own need of proof, provide a link, is what you wanted, you got it, now you're trying to veer this into a Chritian bashing thread. Explain the discrimination of the Jewish & Islam religious symbols being on public property but the Christian symbol, Nativity scene, not being allowed. You can't have it both ways. You brought the Constitution into the debate....

I was trying to edit my post to include a reply, but you replied too quick and it wouldn't let me. So here we go.

You posted about ONE school in NY. Great, that is a problem with that school. ONE problem doesn't constitue a national problem.

I agree with you though, that certain religious symbols in that school are shown, and if you don't think that the CHRISTmas tree is symbolic of CHRISTianity, then I could see you getting offended.

For maporsche
The Christmas tree is not representative for all Christians, whereas the menorrah is accepted by all of the jewish faith as a religious symbol & the star & cresent IS the religious symblo for all muslims.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/xmas_tree.htm

Look, there have been plenty of public officials across the nation participating in this discrimination, I will not provide you with more links but they are there. You wanted a link, you got it, two, actually. All you need to do is Google. Also, Mayor Bloomberg said that the NS could not be diaplayed while allowing the jewish & muslim religious symbols.
Why should Christians allow public officials to dictate what they (Christians) take as their religious symbols? Do you think that muslims would allow others to dipict a turban as their religious symbol, or that Jews would allow the wailing wall as their religious symbol?

LoneStarMadam wrote:

For maporsche
The Christmas tree is not representative for all Christians, whereas the menorrah is accepted by all of the jewish faith as a religious symbol & the star & cresent IS the religious symblo for all muslims.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/xmas_tree.htm

The Menorrah is what the Jews use to celebrate their winter holiday.

The Christmas tree is what Christians use (I'm sure you have one in your house) to celebrate their winter holiday.

I'm unfamiliar if the Crescent/Star is symbolic of a holiday or just Islam in general.

Either way, the school obviously thinks it has it's bases covered. Are there any pictures of this offensive item?

maporsche wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

For maporsche
The Christmas tree is not representative for all Christians, whereas the menorrah is accepted by all of the jewish faith as a religious symbol & the star & cresent IS the religious symblo for all muslims.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/xmas_tree.htm

The Menorrah is what the Jews use to celebrate their winter holiday.

The Christmas tree is what Christians use (I'm sure you have one in your house) to celebrate their winter holiday.

I'm unfamiliar if the Crescent/Star is symbolic of a holiday or just Islam in general.

Either way, the school obviously thinks it has it's bases covered. Are there any pictures of this offensive item?

Some Christains refuese to have a Christmas Tree, do you know of any Jews that refuse the Menorrah or say that it isn't a religious symbol, the same for the Star & Cresent?
Yes, I do have a Christmas Tree in my house along with the Nativity, so what? I am not all Christians, & I do not revere the tree as a symobol of the birth of Christ, I don't know any Christians that do.
You brought up the religious symbols & since the Jews nor muslims celebrate the birth of Christ, that doesn't take away the fact that their religious symbols are displayed & Christians religious symbols (the cross &/or the nativity)are not. You can not get around the facts.
Again, I posted two links, there are many more, IF you want to find out about the discriminations, you will look, if not, then I think our conversation is over because you are not familiar with the content of the deabte & apparently have no desire to find out.
Christmas is about the birth of Christ What is so scarey about a Nativity Scene? What is so wrong with it being displayed on public property along with the menorrah & the cresent? What, BTW, does winter solstice & whatever else have to do with Christmas, the day that we celebrate birth of Christ?

The christmas tree is not a religious symbol. It predates christianity by thousands of years. It was used to celebrate holidays and adopted by christians and nonchristians.

rabel22 wrote:

The christmas tree is not a religious symbol. It predates christianity by thousands of years. It was used to celebrate holidays and adopted by christians and nonchristians.

Dispite it's origins, TODAY it is a religous symbol of Christianity. Or at least Christians think it is. How else would you explain Christians getting upset at Mayor Bloomberg last year about renaming the Tree a "Holiday Tree" from [URL=http://****.org/]link[/URL].

maporsche wrote:

rabel22 wrote:

The christmas tree is not a religious symbol. It predates christianity by thousands of years. It was used to celebrate holidays and adopted by christians and nonchristians.

Dispite it's origins, TODAY it is a religous symbol of Christianity. Or at least Christians think it is. How else would you explain Christians getting upset at Mayor Bloomberg last year about renaming the Tree a "Holiday Tree" from [URL=http://****.org/]link[/URL].

Do we need to go over this again? It has been proven to you that the tree has nothing to do with the birth of Christ, which is what Christmas is about.

LoneStarMadam wrote:

maporsche wrote:

rabel22 wrote:

The christmas tree is not a religious symbol. It predates christianity by thousands of years. It was used to celebrate holidays and adopted by christians and nonchristians.

Dispite it's origins, TODAY it is a religous symbol of Christianity. Or at least Christians think it is. How else would you explain Christians getting upset at Mayor Bloomberg last year about renaming the Tree a "Holiday Tree" from [URL=http://****.org/]link[/URL].

Do we need to go over this again? It has been proven to you that the tree has nothing to do with the birth of Christ, which is what Christmas is about.

So you have no problem with the tree in NYC being called a Holiday Tree. Would you have a problem with a lawsuit making a Christmas tree in a government building being taken down? What if Home Depot started selling 'Holiday Trees'. You'd have no problem with any of these?

maporsche wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

maporsche wrote:

rabel22 wrote:

The christmas tree is not a religious symbol. It predates christianity by thousands of years. It was used to celebrate holidays and adopted by christians and nonchristians.

Dispite it's origins, TODAY it is a religous symbol of Christianity. Or at least Christians think it is. How else would you explain Christians getting upset at Mayor Bloomberg last year about renaming the Tree a "Holiday Tree" from [URL=http://****.org/]link[/URL].

Do we need to go over this again? It has been proven to you that the tree has nothing to do with the birth of Christ, which is what Christmas is about.

So you have no problem with the tree in NYC being called a Holiday Tree. Would you have a problem with a lawsuit making a Christmas tree in a government building being taken down? What if Home Depot started selling 'Holiday Trees'. You'd have no problem with any of these?

FYI, in many places the Christmas tree is called the Holiday tree because of the PC & the people that are apparently fearful of a tree.
Do you have a problem with that?