... So help me, Allah.

Since the point of having someone take an oath on a bible is to more strongly bind them to that oath by invoking their religion, it makes sense that to bind a muslim to his oath, a koran should be used.

It's a silly argument.

I've asked this before, but I don't think I've seen an answer -- do witnesses still swear to tell the truth ... , "so help me God" before they take the stand in court?

LSM and her church lady attitude is amusing. Here is a fabulous example of Christian behavior.

If I lived in between 2 hard core "christians", and one day christian A who I will call Tom had a flat tire and an appointment, he would first call his christian neighbor Pete for a lift for this important appointment.

Pete says "I'm sorry Tom, but I already have plans this morning to go to the gym and I'm unable to help you, but I will say a prayer to our Lord and savior that you find a way to your appointment . God bless you and good luck brother".

This appointment is so important that against Tom's best instincts he comes to my door to ask for a ride. "He says Steve I wouldn't ask but it's an important appointment and I need to get there. I reply "Goddamnit this is unbelievably f*cking inconvenient and it's going to throw my whole day off. I have a meeting with a bride and a corporate events planner and it's big money. Well ****, pull the tire off the car and I'll take you and then drop it at Firestone on my way to my first appointment. **** I hope I don't lose an account over this.'

When Tom tells the story he will remember two things. His christian brother Pete prayed for him, and that steve has a foul mouth and takes the Lord's name in vain and how he'd never ride with him except in an emergency

JPB wrote:

I've asked this before, but I don't think I've seen an answer -- do witnesses still swear to tell the truth ... , "so help me God" before they take the stand in court?

The practice differs from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. In fact, it might differ from courtroom to courtroom. A witness can always ask that the reference to god be removed, and a smart lawyer will clear that with the bailiff before the witness is called, so that there isn't a scene in front of the jury.

Thanks, joe. I should have asked this at the same time, but what about the use of the bible for swearing the oath? Is it still in use in the courtroom, or does that also differ depending on the jurisdiction?

what about the use of the bible for swearing the oath?

. . . when any person shall be of the denomination called Quakers, and shall decline taking said oath, he shall make his affirmation in the foregoing form, omitting the words "swear" and inserting, instead thereof, the word "affirm," and omitting the words "So help me God," and subjoining, instead thereof, the words, "This I do under the pains and penalties of perjury."

The reason was that by touching this sword you got connected to the powers of oath, so the oath only became valid after doing such.
The (Irish) missionaries only changed the item ... like with various other Germanic customs.

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

LSM and her church lady attitude is amusing. Here is a fabulous example of Christian behavior.

If I lived in between 2 hard core "christians", and one day christian A who I will call Tom had a flat tire and an appointment, he would first call his christian neighbor Pete for a lift for this important appointment.

Pete says "I'm sorry Tom, but I already have plans this morning to go to the gym and I'm unable to help you, but I will say a prayer to our Lord and savior that you find a way to your appointment . God bless you and good luck brother".

This appointment is so important that against Tom's best instincts he comes to my door to ask for a ride. "He says Steve I wouldn't ask but it's an important appointment and I need to get there. I reply "Goddamnit this is unbelievably f*cking inconvenient and it's going to throw my whole day off. I have a meeting with a bride and a corporate events planner and it's big money. Well ****, pull the tire off the car and I'll take you and then drop it at Firestone on my way to my first appointment. **** I hope I don't lose an account over this.'

When Tom tells the story he will remember two things. His christian brother Pete prayed for him, and that steve has a foul mouth and takes the Lord's name in vain and how he'd never ride with him except in an emergency

You really shouldn't speak to things you know nothing of. You apparently have not been exposed to a civilized society, & for sure not to a Christian community. However, you are welcome to learn about Christianity, that's a wonderful aspect of Christianity, everyone is welcome.

We played bloody Hell gettin' you folks to behave . . . and ultimately, we failed . . .

LoneStarMadam wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

LSM and her church lady attitude is amusing. Here is a fabulous example of Christian behavior.

If I lived in between 2 hard core "christians", and one day christian A who I will call Tom had a flat tire and an appointment, he would first call his christian neighbor Pete for a lift for this important appointment.

Pete says "I'm sorry Tom, but I already have plans this morning to go to the gym and I'm unable to help you, but I will say a prayer to our Lord and savior that you find a way to your appointment . God bless you and good luck brother".

This appointment is so important that against Tom's best instincts he comes to my door to ask for a ride. "He says Steve I wouldn't ask but it's an important appointment and I need to get there. I reply "Goddamnit this is unbelievably f*cking inconvenient and it's going to throw my whole day off. I have a meeting with a bride and a corporate events planner and it's big money. Well ****, pull the tire off the car and I'll take you and then drop it at Firestone on my way to my first appointment. **** I hope I don't lose an account over this.'

When Tom tells the story he will remember two things. His christian brother Pete prayed for him, and that steve has a foul mouth and takes the Lord's name in vain and how he'd never ride with him except in an emergency

You really shouldn't speak to things you know nothing of. You apparently have not been exposed to a civilized society, & for sure not to a Christian community. However, you are welcome to learn about Christianity, that's a wonderful aspect of Christianity, everyone is welcome.

Tell me LSM of the parable of the Texan Christian attempting biting sarcasm as Jesus instructed.....I'm feeling a lot of agape love in your post

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

LSM and her church lady attitude is amusing. Here is a fabulous example of Christian behavior.

If I lived in between 2 hard core "christians", and one day christian A who I will call Tom had a flat tire and an appointment, he would first call his christian neighbor Pete for a lift for this important appointment.

Pete says "I'm sorry Tom, but I already have plans this morning to go to the gym and I'm unable to help you, but I will say a prayer to our Lord and savior that you find a way to your appointment . God bless you and good luck brother".

This appointment is so important that against Tom's best instincts he comes to my door to ask for a ride. "He says Steve I wouldn't ask but it's an important appointment and I need to get there. I reply "Goddamnit this is unbelievably f*cking inconvenient and it's going to throw my whole day off. I have a meeting with a bride and a corporate events planner and it's big money. Well ****, pull the tire off the car and I'll take you and then drop it at Firestone on my way to my first appointment. **** I hope I don't lose an account over this.'

When Tom tells the story he will remember two things. His christian brother Pete prayed for him, and that steve has a foul mouth and takes the Lord's name in vain and how he'd never ride with him except in an emergency

You really shouldn't speak to things you know nothing of. You apparently have not been exposed to a civilized society, & for sure not to a Christian community. However, you are welcome to learn about Christianity, that's a wonderful aspect of Christianity, everyone is welcome.

Tell me LSM of the parable of the Texan Christian attempting biting sarcasm as Jesus instructed.....I'm feeling a lot of agape love in your post

I don't know that Texan, so can not speak to it.

LoneStarMadam wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

LSM and her church lady attitude is amusing. Here is a fabulous example of Christian behavior.

If I lived in between 2 hard core "christians", and one day christian A who I will call Tom had a flat tire and an appointment, he would first call his christian neighbor Pete for a lift for this important appointment.

Pete says "I'm sorry Tom, but I already have plans this morning to go to the gym and I'm unable to help you, but I will say a prayer to our Lord and savior that you find a way to your appointment . God bless you and good luck brother".

This appointment is so important that against Tom's best instincts he comes to my door to ask for a ride. "He says Steve I wouldn't ask but it's an important appointment and I need to get there. I reply "Goddamnit this is unbelievably f*cking inconvenient and it's going to throw my whole day off. I have a meeting with a bride and a corporate events planner and it's big money. Well ****, pull the tire off the car and I'll take you and then drop it at Firestone on my way to my first appointment. **** I hope I don't lose an account over this.'

When Tom tells the story he will remember two things. His christian brother Pete prayed for him, and that steve has a foul mouth and takes the Lord's name in vain and how he'd never ride with him except in an emergency

You really shouldn't speak to things you know nothing of. You apparently have not been exposed to a civilized society, & for sure not to a Christian community. However, you are welcome to learn about Christianity, that's a wonderful aspect of Christianity, everyone is welcome.

Tell me LSM of the parable of the Texan Christian attempting biting sarcasm as Jesus instructed.....I'm feeling a lot of agape love in your post

I don't know that Texan, so can not speak to it.

Did I just hear the cock crow three times?

LoneStarMadam wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

LSM and her church lady attitude is amusing. Here is a fabulous example of Christian behavior.

If I lived in between 2 hard core "christians", and one day christian A who I will call Tom had a flat tire and an appointment, he would first call his christian neighbor Pete for a lift for this important appointment.

Pete says "I'm sorry Tom, but I already have plans this morning to go to the gym and I'm unable to help you, but I will say a prayer to our Lord and savior that you find a way to your appointment . God bless you and good luck brother".

This appointment is so important that against Tom's best instincts he comes to my door to ask for a ride. "He says Steve I wouldn't ask but it's an important appointment and I need to get there. I reply "Goddamnit this is unbelievably f*cking inconvenient and it's going to throw my whole day off. I have a meeting with a bride and a corporate events planner and it's big money. Well ****, pull the tire off the car and I'll take you and then drop it at Firestone on my way to my first appointment. **** I hope I don't lose an account over this.'

When Tom tells the story he will remember two things. His christian brother Pete prayed for him, and that steve has a foul mouth and takes the Lord's name in vain and how he'd never ride with him except in an emergency

You really shouldn't speak to things you know nothing of. You apparently have not been exposed to a civilized society, & for sure not to a Christian community. However, you are welcome to learn about Christianity, that's a wonderful aspect of Christianity, everyone is welcome.

Tell me LSM of the parable of the Texan Christian attempting biting sarcasm as Jesus instructed.....I'm feeling a lot of agape love in your post

I don't know that Texan, so can not speak to it.

Did I just hear the cock crow three times?