Who Lost Iraq?

Come on Bernie-

Surely you can see the route stuff like that might travel on from a nuclear research facility or a cyclotron. It's dead easy to transport as a salt (nitrate seems most likely) and minute doses cause long term illnesses of a fatal nature.

One might not even need to use it. One might just phone in to say one had.

Allow your imagination a little scope.

The point I was making, and made clearly enough in the first post mentioning this case, was that Mr Bush would have been aware of things like that long before they became known to us.

That he was on planet Vigilance whilst we were all on planet Complacent Ego Preen from the beginning.

bf, from stats I have seen on CNN and elsewhere, about half the public now believes that Bush lied us into the war. I wager that a much higher percentage of those in the media also believe this.

Do you believe that Bush had honorable intentions in taking us into the war?

Advocate, obviously I'm one of the 6 out of 10 Americans who believe Bushie deliberately lied us into war. Our intentions are nowhere near honorable and Bushie himself recently admitted we're in Iraq to protect America's oil interests. Sure I think many in the mainstream media know the truth and most Dems too. That dont mean their going to admit it. After all many of those helped Bushie lie us into war.

Bernie-

Why would I have faith in an individual? Mr Bush ceased to be an individual when he was elected. He represents much more than himself. He has to carry people with him and their departments. You are questioning the whole American political system which is fair enough. One assumes Mr Bush is being briefed.

It has nothing to do with me feeling safe. It is about the responsibilities of high office and what do we know concerning those.

The world isn't simple anymore much as we both might prefer it to be.

What are you recommending?

Advocate wrote:

bf, from stats I have seen on CNN and elsewhere, about half the public now believes that Bush lied us into the war. I wager that a much higher percentage of those in the media also believe this.

Do you believe that Bush had honorable intentions in taking us into the war?

What I find unacceptable, and quite creepy, is the mindset of those people who had decided to attack Iraq and set about fabricating evidence, and exaggerating threats, and lying to those who supported them, in order to make the invasion look legitimate.

A long way from being honourable, it was a crime.

McTag wrote:

Advocate wrote:

bf, from stats I have seen on CNN and elsewhere, about half the public now believes that Bush lied us into the war. I wager that a much higher percentage of those in the media also believe this.

Do you believe that Bush had honorable intentions in taking us into the war?

What I find unacceptable, and quite creepy, is the mindset of those people who had decided to attack Iraq and set about fabricating evidence, and exaggerating threats, and lying to those who supported them, in order to make the invasion look legitimate.

A long way from being honourable, it was a crime.

This is where the discussion leaves the realm of sensibility in debate and leaps chasms to that area known as the left lunatic fringe.

You know that McTag, so I am not telling you anything new.

When you come back down to earth, let us continue the discussion.

As if a position of responsibility will magically vest all of its inhabitants with prudence, intelligence, knowledge and responsibility, and in equal portions individual to individual

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Monte Cargo wrote:

McTag wrote:

Advocate wrote:

bf, from stats I have seen on CNN and elsewhere, about half the public now believes that Bush lied us into the war. I wager that a much higher percentage of those in the media also believe this.

Do you believe that Bush had honorable intentions in taking us into the war?

What I find unacceptable, and quite creepy, is the mindset of those people who had decided to attack Iraq and set about fabricating evidence, and exaggerating threats, and lying to those who supported them, in order to make the invasion look legitimate.

A long way from being honourable, it was a crime.

This is where the discussion leaves the realm of sensibility in debate and leaps chasms to that area known as the left lunatic fringe.

You know that McTag, so I am not telling you anything new.

When you come back down to earth, let us continue the discussion.

Attacking the messenger for the message is not new, and is not convincing nor credible.

It's a shame that because of GWB's position, he will never be held accountable on the world's stage. I understand that for many Americans associated with him, this situation is more than embarassing. But facts are facts, and they don't go away.

As regards what element of what posited problem

So what you are saying, is that the dumbest president ever elected,

somehow managed to perpetrate a mass fraud on all of Congress and the entire American population.

You've chosen to ignore previous posts in this very thread that indicate the prevailing and accepted intelligence at the time just preceding our invasion.

You have also ignored the statements made by democratic leaders. This is why your "impeachment for war crimes" rings as fantastic.