dlowan wrote:NickFun wrote:It's hard to believe that 14% of America still thinks he SHOULDN'T be impeached.
I hope there is no such attempt, though.
It would be a useless distraction from trying to do real things.
Anyhoo, the man has just led to to the deaths of thousands and the mistreatment of god knows how many, it isn't like he has done anything truly criminal, like have consensual sex with an adult.
What rubbish. Mindless drones buzzing on and on...
McGentrix wrote:
What rubbish. Mindless drones buzzing on and on...
Forget the spelling, I wish you could think.
JTT wrote:McGentrix wrote:
What rubbish. Mindless drones buzzing on and on...
Forget the spelling, I wish you could think.
I believe it more accurate to say you wish McG and those of like sociopolitical philosophy thought as do you.
I'll grant that is has been a real attack by us with follow ups.
timberlandko wrote:JTT wrote:McGentrix wrote:
What rubbish. Mindless drones buzzing on and on...
Forget the spelling, I wish you could think.
I believe it more accurate to say you wish McG and those of like sociopolitical philosophy thought as do you.
Not in the least, Timber. You can see, if you're willing to look honestly that some people are just not cut from the kind of cloth you and guys like McG are. The prez puts on a seersucker suit and you're both off to the store as fast as your little legs can carry you.
How can someone like you, who appears to have a modicum of sense, so actively support the filth that is this government? It actually takes a mindless drone to do what you and McG do.
Look what your boy, with his new brand of bi-partisanship, does right off the bat.
Quote:
White House Chuckles While Stabbing Dems in Back: More on the John Bolton Nomination Story
Steve Clemons
First of all, John Bolton's nomination was formally sent to the U.S. Senate yesterday, Thursday, between 10:00 a.m. and 10:30 a.m. when the Senate was called to order for a pro forma session designed just to exhange letters and paperwork between the various branches of government.
In other words, correspondence from the White House to the Senate was received during this time.
Remarkably, House Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi was caught off guard by the Bolton nomination. The nomination is a Senate matter -- but it is also a political matter -- particularly when the theme of the President's lunch yesterday with Pelosi was "trust-building behavior" and "bipartisanship."
Nancy Pelosi's office would not comment on the President's failure to inform her of the White House's new moves on the controversial US Ambassador to the United Nations.
However, Pelosi's office did confirm that (a) the President mentioned nothing about re-starting the Bolton process again and (b) Speaker Pelosi opposes him firmly -- arguing that his brand of diplomacy has seriously undermined America's interests and our ability to achieve our national security and foreign policy objectives in the United Nations.
The President's office released word of the Bolton nomination at 1:22 p.m. to the public -- about 7 minutes after Nancy Pelosi actually left the Oval Office.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-clemons/white-house-chuckles-whil_b_33832.html
The key, and current singularly operative, designation for Ms. Pelosi is House Speaker-elect; first, she has nothing to do with the Senate, and second, until the convening of the Congress coming into session next January, she and the rest of the Democrats, House and Senate, remain representatives of the Minority Party. Until such time as his term expires or otherwise is terminated, Mr. Bush is and shall remain the Sitting Executive. Proper and customary proceedure was followed, the proper and customary channels were employed.
That said, Bolton, or any other nominee to Presidential appointment subject to Congressional advice and consent, is entitled to a thorough and expeditious hearing. The business of running the affairs of state does not enter hiatus pending the next Congress.
And with that said, I'll opine that short of getting The US out of the UN and the UN out of the US, Bolton's appointment is the best for which can be hoped.
Finally, JTT, I do not support Bush/The Republicans anywhere near so much as I oppose damned near the entire current agenda of the Democrats ... its very much a lesser-of-two-evils thing. But then, in politics, thats hardly unusual. Oh, and I s'pose I oughtta mention my wardrobe consists mostly of denim, T-shirts, and flannel; seersucker ain't practical for farm chores and other sweat-raising work.
Boy, timber, you're really going downhill fast. You say Pelosi has nothing to do with the Senate, and they are now in the minority party?
You miss all of Bush's lies and scurvy tricks, while talking about cooperation and working together!
Jeeeze, what happened to your brain? Can you honestly say if the chairs were turned around, you would accept that for the reasons you stated?
Accepting it is immaterial, c. i. - it is the state of affairs as they exist, and would be no different were the coming shift of legislative control to be going from Democrat to Republican. The Democratic Legislature will get its due when it goes into session; until then, things are as they are, and properly are as they are ... in accordance with The US Constitution and the laws and customs descendent therefrom.
Further, I simply do not see the "... lies and scurvy tricks" to which you allude; I believe such allegations groundless and to be maliciously motivated partisanship.
timber, It's not a matter of "getthing their due." It's about cooperation and trust. You miss the important stuff for your bias.
Would you like for me to list all of Bush's past lies? How is anybody to trust him when he speaks from the corner of his mouth that can be a lie or the truth?
If Bush continues to be untrustworthy, I would perfer that the democratic congress bring impeachment actions against Bush and all his cronies when they take over in January.
I'm sure the majority of Americans would approve such an action if Bush continues to lie, and not cooperate to make our government work. Bush already has two strikes against him. I would love nothing better than to see Bush's legacy as the worst president of the US if he can't be trusted.
Actually, c. i. , provided they do not overly distract from the business of running the country, I think I'd welcome broad, non-partisan investigations into the runup to Iraq, and into overall House and Senate ethics issues, along with real, proactive, bipartisan work toward addressing immigration and domestic national security issues, tax, legal, education, and election reforms, the elimination of waste and pork (particularly "earmarks"), and the urgently needed overhaul of both Social Security and Medicare/Medicade.
I don't expect any of that though.
timberlandko wrote:JTT wrote:McGentrix wrote:
What rubbish. Mindless drones buzzing on and on...
Forget the spelling, I wish you could think.
I believe it more accurate to say you wish McG and those of like sociopolitical philosophy thought as do you.
Nah...we just hope for evidence of rational thought, rather than slogans.
msolga wrote:dlowan wrote:... Anyhoo, the man has just led to to the deaths of thousands and the mistreatment of god knows how many, it isn't like he has done anything truly criminal, like have consensual sex with an adult.
Now that would be really,
really bad!
Appalling.
Subhuman.
Killing good, consensual sex bad.
timberlandko wrote:Actually, c. i. , provided they do not overly distract from the business of running the country, I think I'd welcome broad, non-partisan investigations into the runup to Iraq, and into overall House and Senate ethics issues, along with real, proactive, bipartisan work toward addressing immigration and domestic national security issues, tax, legal, education, and election reforms, the elimination of waste and pork (particularly "earmarks"), and the urgently needed overhaul of both Social Security and Medicare/Medicade.
I don't expect any of that though.
Then, I think the new bums ought to get thrown out. These are really good ideas and perhaps if we don't let ourselves get distracted by sophisticated marketing tricks, fallacious sentences, and clouds of hovering demons, we can make progress.
JTT wrote:Look what your boy, with his new brand of bi-partisanship, does right off the bat.
Quote:
White House Chuckles While Stabbing Dems in Back: More on the John Bolton Nomination Story
Steve Clemons
First of all, John Bolton's nomination was formally sent to the U.S. Senate yesterday, Thursday, between 10:00 a.m. and 10:30 a.m. when the Senate was called to order for a pro forma session designed just to exhange letters and paperwork between the various branches of government.
In other words, correspondence from the White House to the Senate was received during this time.
Remarkably, House Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi was caught off guard by the Bolton nomination. The nomination is a Senate matter -- but it is also a political matter -- particularly when the theme of the President's lunch yesterday with Pelosi was "trust-building behavior" and "bipartisanship."
Nancy Pelosi's office would not comment on the President's failure to inform her of the White House's new moves on the controversial US Ambassador to the United Nations.
However, Pelosi's office did confirm that (a) the President mentioned nothing about re-starting the Bolton process again and (b) Speaker Pelosi opposes him firmly -- arguing that his brand of diplomacy has seriously undermined America's interests and our ability to achieve our national security and foreign policy objectives in the United Nations.
The President's office released word of the Bolton nomination at 1:22 p.m. to the public -- about 7 minutes after Nancy Pelosi actually left the Oval Office.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-clemons/white-house-chuckles-whil_b_33832.html
Bush still don't get it. He and his policies have been rejected by the American people.
In my opinion Bush,Rumsfeld and Chaney should be occupying cells along side of Saddam and his co conspirators.
Ticomaya wrote:timberlandko wrote:Actually, c. i. , provided they do not overly distract from the business of running the country, I think I'd welcome broad, non-partisan investigations into the runup to Iraq, and into overall House and Senate ethics issues, along with real, proactive, bipartisan work toward addressing immigration and domestic national security issues, tax, legal, education, and election reforms, the elimination of waste and pork (particularly "earmarks"), and the urgently needed overhaul of both Social Security and Medicare/Medicade.
I don't expect any of that though.
Agreed.
Dlowan: Nah...we just hope for evidence of rational thought, rather than slogans.
