Zygote, Fetus, Clump of Cells, Alive, Dead???

Science shows that almost 80% of fertilized eggs never grow into a human being. So a zygote is only 20% likely to be breathing human. A grown woman is 100% likely to be a breathing human.

There you go RL. Science has answered your question.
100% vs 20%.. The math is pretty easy.

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parados, Bet ya dollars to donuts, they'll find a way around those stats too! LOL They are fanatics!

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parados wrote:

Science shows that almost 80% of fertilized eggs never grow into a human being. So a zygote is only 20% likely to be breathing human. A grown woman is 100% likely to be a breathing human.

There you go RL. Science has answered your question.
100% vs 20%.. The math is pretty easy.

Well, parados, I'm sorry but your post is not clear.

One hundred fertilized eggs. You say that 80 of those will naturally die (I don't know if that's true, but let's say that they do naturally, of their own accord die).

Are you saying that the 20 fertilized eggs that are left ARE living human beings?

Or do they 'become' a human being at some point after being a fertilized egg?

If so, at what point?

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grasping at straws... There must be a difference between natural and the choice of the woman...but what? I know! real wants to impose his morals on that 20 percent!

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Yes there is a difference between someone dying of natural causes and someone dying because they were put to death by another.

Similarly , there is a difference between fertilized eggs that naturally die, and those that are aborted.

One was caused intentionally, the other was not.

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And your only point being you want to impose your morals on a woman you don't even know or care. As for the "baby," you wouldn't care how it lived or died after its birth. How moral of you!

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cicerone imposter wrote:

As for the "baby," you wouldn't care how it lived or died after its birth.

The alternative being that I decide how the baby is to live after it was born?

Would you approve of that?

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"After it was born" would be both ethical and legal - and moral.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

"After it was born" would be both ethical and legal - and moral.

I second that.

Before you ask about the minute before birth RL, and blah blah etc rhetoric blah blah, I''l encourage you to just read backwards, I probably have answered your question already. However, if you need to know, even if the second before birth was the point we were evaluating, I'd still feel the way I do about the legality, and though my emotions (my moral backing) would be different, how I felt, would be irrelevant to the issue of legality.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

"After it was born" would be both ethical and legal - and moral.

So, let me get this straight, CI.

You, who have no end of distaste for religion, are saying that I , (and other pro-life folks like myself) should decide how children, who are not our own, are to live after they are born?

Sure about that?

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Yeah, you can evaluate your own "contributions" to those newborn babies other than your insistence it must "live." Please share with us all of your efforts for those "living" babies.

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BTW, please don't ignore the infanticide in India - by the millions every year. They are babies already "born."

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Well CI, why don't you start a thread about it?

Just because people focus on and discuss one subject (like abortion) in a thread like this one, doesn't mean that they 'don't care' about other subjects as well.

And you shouldn't assume that it is the case.

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No need to start a new thread; it's directly related to your zealous position to save the zygote.

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Speaking of Saving the Zygote....

There are many species of animals which are considered to be 'endangered' and are protected by law.

You cannot hunt them and in many cases it is illegal to damage or otherwise harm the eggs of these creatures (certain species of birds, turtles , etc)

Why should it be illegal to harm the fertilized egg when it is not yet a member of the species which is endangered?

In our efforts to 'Save the Turtle' and 'Save the Condor' etc protection is also given to the fertilized egg. Why?

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real, You'll never "get it." Do you understand anything about the law? If you don't like the law, make every effort you are able to change it whether it concerns endangered species or the human kind. Good luck!

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I find it hard to believe that you would defend a law banning abortion with the same vigor as you defend a law allowing abortion.

If your only defense of abortion is 'Well, it's legal', what are you gonna say when it's not?

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real, You are tiresome and a bore. I support the right of the woman to choose. Nothing fancy about that; it's none of my business how any woman decides what to do. It just so happens that the laws of this country also agrees.

I'll let the woman and the consult with her doctors decide what is best for her.

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Why you keep coming to this topic when you really have nothing to say in defense of abortion except 'Well , it's legal' is a puzzle. But an entertaining puzzle.

If you're bored, I'm sure there are plenty of other threads that you could be posting in, or you could try starting your own website with a forum. Laughing

Yeah why don't you try that. Laughing

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real, You are tiresome and a bore. I support the right of the woman to choose. Nothing fancy about that; it's none of my business how any woman decides what to do. It just so happens that the laws of this country also agrees.

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