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Boyfriend and Porn

 
 
Vicki E
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 04:37 am
I agree with Dorothy.

By the way its not only men who enjoy watching it either.
Try watching some together (not the nasty stuff obviously), it can sometimes be quite educational.
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 06:46 am
cyphercat wrote:
Oh, I found the article I was talking about. Here's the part about divorce lawyers:

Utne Reader wrote:
At the 2003 meeting of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers, some two-thirds of attending lawyers said the Internet played a significant role in divorces that year, pointing a finger at online pornography. Seven or eight years ago pornography had an almost nonexistent role in divorce, reports author and journalist Pamela Paul in Time (Jan. 19, 2004). Keep in mind, legally married couples represent only a portion of the population. Jealousy, shame, mixed feelings, and mixed messages all speak to the difficulty of confronting evidence of desires we find in some combination confusing, elating, obscene, and terrific.


link to article (and others on the topic in the same magazine)



Well, it stands to reason. Figure it out. The sex stops long before the divorce starts. A guy's got to do SOMETHING and if he doesn't want to cheat or pay a hooker, what's left? Sure, there are some guys-- a small minority in all probability-- who go completely nuts over nekkid internet pics and thus CAUSE the divorce/breakup, but to say that porn plays a deciding role in most divorces is to misstate the case, in my opinion.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 07:32 am
tomasso wrote:
Who agrees that porn is normal?


**hand shoots into air**

I do.

ANd I don't watch porn.

But I think that most people who do are perfectly normal functioning members of society.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 07:36 am
I know there are supposedly stores in some of the major cities that sell pornographic material, but it is also my understanding that if a person is willing to dig around a bit you will be able to find some sites on the internet that carry pornographic stuff.

I have yet to find any, but I've been looking.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 07:37 am
Like anything else, porn can be destructive. But so can most anything else if its not done in healthy doses. If a man or a woman is ignoring their partner to engage in activities that involve porn, yeah I see something wrong. It may be the porn, it may be something else.

I've seen too many women on here that say "Porn ruined my life!" and when we really got into it, found out that the marriage was ruined before the porn problem or that the problem had little to do with porn. It's true. People are reluctant to take responsibility for their lives and so they find a scapegoat. Porn is all to easy to use.

If your boyfriend watched it before you, you can't expect him to stop now that he's with you. Unless the porn affects your sex relationship. Then, that becomes a different story.
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 07:40 am
Porn is normal? Man, that statement is a sign of the times, if I've ever seen one.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 07:46 am
Why isn't it normal? It's been done since...oh since man was created.

Take Pompeii for example. We ain't the first and we ain't gonna be the last.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 07:47 am
Pompeii had porn? Is that what caused the volcano to erupt?
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 07:47 am
Ancient Pornography
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 07:54 am
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
Pompeii had porn? Is that what caused the volcano to erupt?


Oh yeah...hot....molten....lava....dripping and running, hot and moist down the side of the mountain.....ohhhh yeah....baby......
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 08:55 am
Let's not forget the legendary Kama Sutra.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 11:41 am
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
Pompeii had porn? Is that what caused the volcano to erupt?


Yeah, it made the Hebrew god mad.
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Vicki E
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 01:34 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
Why isn't it normal? It's been done since...oh since man was created.

Take Pompeii for example. We ain't the first and we ain't gonna be the last.

I saw a T.V. programme on this not so long ago. It was the prudish Victorian archaeologists who hid all the Pompei porn from public view. Apparently there was a big store room full of the stuff.
The Victorians in Britain caused most of todays hangups and fears regarding sexual writings and imagery. Look at Sweden or Denmark who never had this negative influence imposed upon them. They think nothing of nudity and regard sex as something that is totally natural, and so they should.

I think that any man who doesn't admit to at least having a sneaky look at porn now and again is probably fibbing.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 02:22 pm
Vicki E wrote:

I think that any man who doesn't admit to at least having a sneaky look at porn now and again is probably fibbing.


And probably on the other side of "normal."
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 02:26 pm
InfraBlue wrote:
Vicki E wrote:

I think that any man who doesn't admit to at least having a sneaky look at porn now and again is probably fibbing.


And probably somewhere on the other side of "normal."
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 02:34 pm
A guy not looking at porn occasionally? Definitely abnormal, I'd say.
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cyphercat
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 03:50 pm
Good to know my husband is abnormal... Rolling Eyes Thanks, guys, I'll let him know that. And of course you'll all just know he's lying about it, but he's not. He checked it out as a teenager, of course, but he feels like as an adult male with a real live woman around, it would be kind of pathetic to go whack off to pictures...


blacksmithn wrote:
cyphercat wrote:
Oh, I found the article I was talking about. Here's the part about divorce lawyers:

Utne Reader wrote:
At the 2003 meeting of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers, some two-thirds of attending lawyers said the Internet played a significant role in divorces that year, pointing a finger at online pornography. Seven or eight years ago pornography had an almost nonexistent role in divorce, reports author and journalist Pamela Paul in Time (Jan. 19, 2004). Keep in mind, legally married couples represent only a portion of the population. Jealousy, shame, mixed feelings, and mixed messages all speak to the difficulty of confronting evidence of desires we find in some combination confusing, elating, obscene, and terrific.


link to article (and others on the topic in the same magazine)



Well, it stands to reason. Figure it out. The sex stops long before the divorce starts. A guy's got to do SOMETHING and if he doesn't want to cheat or pay a hooker, what's left? Sure, there are some guys-- a small minority in all probability-- who go completely nuts over nekkid internet pics and thus CAUSE the divorce/breakup, but to say that porn plays a deciding role in most divorces is to misstate the case, in my opinion.



Try reading what the damn thing actually says. No one tried to quantify whether it's a "deciding role in most divorces," there. If you actually read the excerpt, what it's saying is that 2/3 of attorneys say it "played a significant role in divorces that year." It's putting a number on the attorneys dealing with it, not the number of marriages affected. Saying it was "significant" is quite different than saying it was a deciding factor in most divorces.

In any case, the point you completely gloss over is this: "Seven or eight years ago pornography had an almost nonexistent role in divorce." How does that jibe with your sex-stops-then-guys-start-depending-on-porn theory? If that was the case, then why is it becoming an issue in breaking up marriages now, but didn't used to be? Anyway, I'm sure you have more knowledge about whether or not this is a growing problem than divorce attorneys do *cough cough*

The thing is, the people on this board who always jump to the defense of using porn and the "you're insecure and in denial if you don't like it" thing have their heads up their asses about the way porn's role in society is changing (although of course, while they have their heads up there anyway, they might as well make a few bucks as some kind of fetish porn stars). Why don't you guys do some reading about what people actually studying this are finding, there's a lot being written about it.
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 05:10 pm
Oh, step down off your high horse, Pollyanna. Deciding and significant seem fairly similar to me and 2/3 of divorce attorneys would seem to equate to most divorces. Do you really feel you're proving anything by parsing sentences in this fashion? Sheesh.

As far as taking a poll of divorce attorneys-- if that is in fact how this information was arrived at-- I'm not sure that's the most accurate way to gauge whether any action played a "significant" role (whatever that means) in any divorce.

Keep in mind that both parties in all but the most amicable divorces are out to reflect their ex in the worst possible light. Something about the process brings out the feral in folks. So if hubby was looking at some pictures or whatever, suddenly he's a porn addict and porn now plays a "significant" role in the proceeding. Please, by the same token it could be argued that if wife yells at the kids, she's abusive and child abuse would then play a "significant" role in that case.

In short, this statistic, if you want to dignify such a generalized reference with that nomenclature, is basically useless except as a tool to alarm the gullible or the straitlaced.
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 05:14 pm
I think Cypher is correct in pointing out that porn can be a problem, a big problem. Not all porn is normal and not all people use it in a normal way. Let's face it- if a husband has a Saturday night poker game and drinks a couple of beers most wives don't mind. However, if a husband can't tear himself away from on-line poker and drinks a six pack while doing it, any wife is going to be upset and consider leaving the guy. That's the question here, is the poster up set over a little porn peeking or an obsession with porn to the point that she is cannot get her man's attention. Addictions are not healthy or normal, doesn't matter if it's gambling, drinking, over spending, drugs or porn.
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cyphercat
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2006 05:33 pm
blacksmithn wrote:
Oh, step down off your high horse, Pollyanna. Deciding and significant seem fairly similar to me and 2/3 of divorce attorneys would seem to equate to most divorces. Do you really feel you're proving anything by parsing sentences in this fashion? Sheesh.


"Deciding factor in most divorces" is very different than saying something is significant. And yes, I think parsing the way you misquoted the excerpt proves something; that something being that you missed the point.

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As far as taking a poll of divorce attorneys-- if that is in fact how this information was arrived at-- I'm not sure that's the most accurate way to gauge whether any action played a "significant" role (whatever that means) in any divorce.


Probably not, but it's more accurate than the way you and others here arrive at the knee-jerk conclusion you always arrive at, which is, all men look at porn, deal with it.

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Keep in mind that both parties in all but the most amicable divorces are out to reflect their ex in the worst possible light. Something about the process brings out the feral in folks. So if hubby was looking at some pictures or whatever, suddenly he's a porn addict and porn now plays a "significant" role in the proceeding. Please, by the same token it could be argued that if wife yells at the kids, she's abusive and child abuse would then play a "significant" role in that case.


I see what you're saying-- that just because the wife in a break-up says the guy's an addict doesn't make it so. Duh. But again, your response misses the main point of the passage, which is that porn has gone from an insignificant role to a significant one in breaking up marriages-- why do you think women all decided to start over-reacting to porn now? Do you think it's just become the fashion now for wives to claim porn addiction as a factor, or what? I guess a few years ago it just hadn't yet become the in thing to say-- Oprah must've put the idea into people's heads.

Look, all I'm saying is I think you and the others here who always say the same thing about porn haven't updated your views to acknowledge that there is a growing number of people who're really addicted.
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