When Does Life Begin?

Chumly wrote:

The best I have heard of as of late is from bart when he said

Bartikus wrote:

This is not my thinking chumly.

I am not sure by that if I should be relieved or concerned or amused however.

That thinking was being projected onto me by you. I am concerned.

neologist wrote:

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

When the unbeliever ventures to instruct the believer in his belief, hilarity is the result.

It's unsurprising I have a better understanding of original sin than many so-called Christians. It would not take a whole lot of intelligence for most anyone to have a better understanding of original sin than many so-called Christians.

Your above answer to Bart shows a complete lack of understanding of what the bible actually says.

Repeated here:

Chumly wrote:

In your Christian god's eyes all are guilty of original sin thus even babies are punished by being denied access to Eden, thus even babies are punished by knowing pain and suffering.

Don't leave us all in suspense.

Do tell us all "what the bible actually says".

No doubt we are all ever-so-desirous to be shown my so-called "complete lack of understanding" and thus by reciprocity your complete understanding.

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

When the unbeliever ventures to instruct the believer in his belief, hilarity is the result.

It's unsurprising I have a better understanding of original sin than many so-called Christians. It would not take a whole lot of intelligence for most anyone to have a better understanding of original sin than many so-called Christians.

Your above answer to Bart shows a complete lack of understanding of what the bible actually says.

Repeated here:

Chumly wrote:

In your Christian god's eyes all are guilty of original sin thus even babies are punished by being denied access to Eden, thus even babies are punished by knowing pain and suffering.

Don't leave us all in suspense.

Do tell us all "what the bible actually says".

No doubt we are all ever-so-desirous to be shown my so-called "complete lack of understanding" and thus by reciprocity your complete understanding.

To start with, the term original sin does not appear in the bible. You would have to define it.

You haven't.

Then you would have to explain what you mean by punishment. Is the human race being punished? Who told you that? Did you read it in the bible? Where?

Since you were the one mentioning original sin and punishment, the ball is in your court.

Here is a start.

http://lifeandtruth.com/beingsaved.htm

http://lifeandtruth.com/howtobesaved.htm

neologist wrote:

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

When the unbeliever ventures to instruct the believer in his belief, hilarity is the result.

It's unsurprising I have a better understanding of original sin than many so-called Christians. It would not take a whole lot of intelligence for most anyone to have a better understanding of original sin than many so-called Christians.

Your above answer to Bart shows a complete lack of understanding of what the bible actually says.

Repeated here:

Chumly wrote:

In your Christian god's eyes all are guilty of original sin thus even babies are punished by being denied access to Eden, thus even babies are punished by knowing pain and suffering.

Don't leave us all in suspense.

Do tell us all "what the bible actually says".

No doubt we are all ever-so-desirous to be shown my so-called "complete lack of understanding" and thus by reciprocity your complete understanding.

To start with, the term original sin does not appear in the bible. You would have to define it.

You haven't.

Then you would have to explain what you mean by punishment. Is the human race being punished? Who told you that? Did you read it in the bible? Where?

Since you were the one mentioning original sin and punishment, the ball is in your court.

Don't leave us all in suspense.

Do tell us all "what the bible actually says".

No doubt we are all ever-so-desirous to be shown my so-called "complete lack of understanding" and thus by reciprocity your complete understanding.

Don't leave us all in suspense.

Do tell us all "what the bible actually says".

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

When the unbeliever ventures to instruct the believer in his belief, hilarity is the result.

It's unsurprising I have a better understanding of original sin than many so-called Christians. It would not take a whole lot of intelligence for most anyone to have a better understanding of original sin than many so-called Christians.

Your above answer to Bart shows a complete lack of understanding of what the bible actually says.

Repeated here:

Chumly wrote:

In your Christian god's eyes all are guilty of original sin thus even babies are punished by being denied access to Eden, thus even babies are punished by knowing pain and suffering.

Don't leave us all in suspense.

Do tell us all "what the bible actually says".

No doubt we are all ever-so-desirous to be shown my so-called "complete lack of understanding" and thus by reciprocity your complete understanding.

To start with, the term original sin does not appear in the bible. You would have to define it.

You haven't.

Then you would have to explain what you mean by punishment. Is the human race being punished? Who told you that? Did you read it in the bible? Where?

Since you were the one mentioning original sin and punishment, the ball is in your court.

Don't leave us all in suspense.

Do tell us all "what the bible actually says".

No doubt we are all ever-so-desirous to be shown my so-called "complete lack of understanding" and thus by reciprocity your complete understanding.

For an educated man you sure do repeat yourself a bit...are you aware of this?

Chumly wrote:

Don't leave us all in suspense.

Do tell us all "what the bible actually says".

You were the one who brought up the subjects of original sin and punishment. You should be required to defend your blather.

Your above answer to Bart shows a complete lack of understanding of what the bible actually says..

Bartikus wrote:

Chumly wrote:

Bartikus wrote:

Babies are like the best of us.

Given that young babies have no knowledge nor practice of ethics you are saying "the best of us" have strong psychopathic inclinations!

Bartikus wrote:

It's a small innocent baby in my eyes.

Your claim that babies are innocent means that you cannot be a Christian, because original sin is pivotal to the Christian religion. Babies are not innocent but in fact sinful by Christian standards.

You don't understand the Christian faith. There is a difference between having a propensity to sin and being guilty of sin. The unborn do not qualify.

All babies are innocent of sin.

False! Original sin is a condition, not something that people do: It's the "normal" spiritual and psychological condition of human beings, not their bad thoughts and actions. Even a newborn baby who hasn't done anything at all is damaged by original sin.

In Christian teaching, original sin is the result of Adam and Eve's disobedience to God when they ate a forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden.

Bartikus wrote:

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

When the unbeliever ventures to instruct the believer in his belief, hilarity is the result.

It's unsurprising I have a better understanding of original sin than many so-called Christians. It would not take a whole lot of intelligence for most anyone to have a better understanding of original sin than many so-called Christians.

Your above answer to Bart shows a complete lack of understanding of what the bible actually says.

Repeated here:

Chumly wrote:

In your Christian god's eyes all are guilty of original sin thus even babies are punished by being denied access to Eden, thus even babies are punished by knowing pain and suffering.

Don't leave us all in suspense.

Do tell us all "what the bible actually says".

No doubt we are all ever-so-desirous to be shown my so-called "complete lack of understanding" and thus by reciprocity your complete understanding.

To start with, the term original sin does not appear in the bible. You would have to define it.

You haven't.

Then you would have to explain what you mean by punishment. Is the human race being punished? Who told you that? Did you read it in the bible? Where?

Since you were the one mentioning original sin and punishment, the ball is in your court.

Don't leave us all in suspense.

Do tell us all "what the bible actually says".

No doubt we are all ever-so-desirous to be shown my so-called "complete lack of understanding" and thus by reciprocity your complete understanding.

For an educated man you sure do repeat yourself a bit...are you aware of this?

Only in as much as you repeat the same inanities thus the inevitable said response on my part. In your case it's called argumentum ad nauseum, in my case it's called response to said argumentum ad nauseum.

Chumly wrote:

Bartikus wrote:

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

Chumly wrote:

neologist wrote:

When the unbeliever ventures to instruct the believer in his belief, hilarity is the result.

It's unsurprising I have a better understanding of original sin than many so-called Christians. It would not take a whole lot of intelligence for most anyone to have a better understanding of original sin than many so-called Christians.

Your above answer to Bart shows a complete lack of understanding of what the bible actually says.

Repeated here:

Chumly wrote:

In your Christian god's eyes all are guilty of original sin thus even babies are punished by being denied access to Eden, thus even babies are punished by knowing pain and suffering.

Don't leave us all in suspense.

Do tell us all "what the bible actually says".

No doubt we are all ever-so-desirous to be shown my so-called "complete lack of understanding" and thus by reciprocity your complete understanding.

To start with, the term original sin does not appear in the bible. You would have to define it.

You haven't.

Then you would have to explain what you mean by punishment. Is the human race being punished? Who told you that? Did you read it in the bible? Where?

Since you were the one mentioning original sin and punishment, the ball is in your court.

Don't leave us all in suspense.

Do tell us all "what the bible actually says".

No doubt we are all ever-so-desirous to be shown my so-called "complete lack of understanding" and thus by reciprocity your complete understanding.

For an educated man you sure do repeat yourself a bit...are you aware of this?

Only in as much as you repeat the same inanities thus the inevitable said response on my part. In your case it's called argumentum ad nauseum, in my case it's called response to said argumentum ad nauseum.

I did'nt repeat anything here. This conversation was with neo.

neo, It's not necessary to go to the link you provided to know that it's a total mystery how anyone can believe in something that can't be proved, can't be seen, can't be confirmed, and lacks any accuracy in the book that makes claims about your god. Mystery. [/color]

Love can be assessed with modern psychology and medical instrumentation. Love has a definitives biological survival rational in the form of pair bonding and related socio-survival mechanisms.

The so-called believer can't even interpret the bible correctly

Love can be assessed with modern psychology and medical instrumentation. Love has a definitives biological survival rational in the form of pair bonding and related socio-survival mechanisms.

Neo's rulebook on Argumentation Theory:

- Admit nothing!
- Defer everything!
- Claim other posters must substantiate their positions while you never do!
- Claim that whomever according to you was first to forward a viewpoint you disagree with, must then be the one to substantiate it, while you true to form, provide zero argument to support your disagreement of said viewpoint!

You need a new bag of tricks, your old one is getting pretty shopworn.

. . .As to who presumably "brought up the the subjects of original sin and punishment" I recommend you review Bart's specious claims and thus my in kind response. . . .