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When Does Life Begin?

 
 
Bartikus
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 10:00 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
It's up to him to answer your q, but I also provided mine. You have a problem with that?


I have no problem with your non answer....in fact I'm used to it.

I'll give you another try though.

Do you believe doctors and those who practice medicine should help to prevent death and improve life?

I do

Deist does

everybody in the ER does.

How bout you?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 10:08 am
Bartikus: Do you believe doctors and those who practice medicine should help to prevent death and improve life?

That's not even a serious question; do you know anything about the hypocratic oath?
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 10:10 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bartikus: Do you believe doctors and those who practice medicine should help to prevent death and improve life?

That's not even a serious question; do you know anything about the hypocratic oath?


Hippocratic? Yes and i know how to spell it.

Then:

1.) Under what circumstance does an abortionist prevent death?

and

2.) In what ways does an abortionist improve life?

speaking of the oath.....read it.

http://members.tripod.com/nktiuro/hippocra.htm

Abortionists go against it!

"Because I like to expose hypocrites. It's one of the few enjoyments I have on a2k."

Where are your cries of hypocrisy now?
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baddog1
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 10:32 am
Bartikus wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bartikus: Do you believe doctors and those who practice medicine should help to prevent death and improve life?

That's not even a serious question; do you know anything about the hypocratic oath?


Hippocratic? Yes and i know how to spell it.

Then:

1.) Under what circumstance does an abortionist prevent death?

and

2.) In what ways does an abortionist improve life?

speaking of the oath.....read it.

http://members.tripod.com/nktiuro/hippocra.htm

Abortionists go against it! Where are your cries of hypocrisy?


Thanks Bartikus. I'd never read the oath & find it very interesting. Pro-aborts will hang their hats on the 'human life' moniker as if the unborn are some other form of life. I am always amazed at how intelligent many pro-aborts present themselves to be, yet consider an unborn life inside a female human's body as some other lifeform. Yet these same folks will fight tooth & nail in their right to use deductive reasoning involving discussions about the theory of evolution, ID, etc. :wink:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 10:34 am
It doesn't matter what my moral stance on this topic is, because I leave it to the government and woman to decide. It's none of my business.

Doctors have sworn to abide by the Hypocratic Oath, but in the real world, you should understand we have no control over them. DUH!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 10:38 am
BTW, it's the oath by Hippocrates, but is known as the "Hypocratic Oath."

http://thegreenman.net.au/mt/archives/000231.html
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 10:43 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
It doesn't matter what my moral stance on this topic is, because I leave it to the government and woman to decide. It's none of my business.

Doctors have sworn to abide by the Hypocratic Oath, but in the real world, you should understand we have no control over them. DUH!


So abortion is not practicing medicine is it?

You have no problem calling us hypocrites but clam up about this?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 10:51 am
Bartikus wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
It doesn't matter what my moral stance on this topic is, because I leave it to the government and woman to decide. It's none of my business.

Doctors have sworn to abide by the Hypocratic Oath, but in the real world, you should understand we have no control over them. DUH!


So abortion is not practicing medicine is it?

You have no problem calling us hypocrites but clam up about this?



It doesn't matter to me; it's up to the woman and doctor. How many times must I repeat this before it sinks into your tiny brain?
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 10:56 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
It doesn't matter what my moral stance on this topic is, because I leave it to the government and woman to decide. It's none of my business.

Doctors have sworn to abide by the Hypocratic Oath, but in the real world, you should understand we have no control over them. DUH!


So abortion is not practicing medicine is it?

You have no problem calling us hypocrites but clam up about this?



It doesn't matter to me; it's up to the woman and doctor. How many times must I repeat this before it sinks into your tiny brain?


I agree with you........a doctor.

I guess you will do with one less enjoyment then.

This issue does'nt matter to you?

We knew that already. Just wanted to see you admit it.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 10:58 am
As long as there are people advocating for the fetus over the rights of the woman, I'll continue to voice my pro-choice stance.
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baddog1
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 11:20 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
As long as there are people advocating for the fetus over the rights of the woman, I'll continue to voice my pro-choice stance.


But it doesn't matter to you! Rolling Eyes
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 11:26 am
Yes, it matters. Advocating for the right of the woman to choose when people are advocating for the fetus over the woman cannot be ignored.

If the issue were ever included in our ballot to choose, I would advocate for the pro-choice position every time. If and when the government decides its laws on this issue, it is out of my hands.
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 11:32 am
It just does'nt matter if the woman goes to a doctor or not!?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 11:33 am
Bartikus wrote:
It just does'nt matter if the woman goes to a doctor or not!


The woman decides that, doesn't she? At least with Roe vs Wade, she has access to doctors.
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 11:41 am
yer not getting it. nevermind.
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 11:44 am
baddog1 wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
As long as there are people advocating for the fetus over the rights of the woman, I'll continue to voice my pro-choice stance.


But it doesn't matter to you! Rolling Eyes


It just does'nt matter whether doctors abide by the oath or not.....I guess.....?

Except for my dentist....

and my urologist...................................and my orthopedic surgeon......................................or any ER doctors I run into.........................................

and my primary care doctor...

etc. lol
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 11:51 am
Bartikus: It just does'nt matter whether doctors abide by the oath or not.....I guess.....?


Are you just totally ignorant? I do not control what doctors do; the government should be doing that to protect its citizens. The reality is that some doctors will always abuse our laws no matter what they are. Some even kill their patients. It's totally out of my control - legal or otherwise.
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real life
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 12:29 pm
Fortunately, polls consistently show younger Americans becoming increasingly pro-life.

The abdication of responsibility by CI, (who just wants to enjoy retirement and travel the world without worrying about the type of world he's handing down to others), is being replaced by a generation who sees tens of millions dead due to abortion and realizes it coulda been them killed legally.
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 12:49 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bartikus: It just does'nt matter whether doctors abide by the oath or not.....I guess.....?


Are you just totally ignorant? I do not control what doctors do; the government should be doing that to protect its citizens. The reality is that some doctors will always abuse our laws no matter what they are. Some even kill their patients. It's totally out of my control - legal or otherwise.


I'm not talking about control.

I just asked if you think doctors should preserve life and make it better.....and asked if you thought abortionists do so?

If so how?

that's all.

We cannot control what a doctor decides to do however, the people can decide whether a doctor remains licensed to practice medicine or not if they decide to go against said oath...... No?

Fortunately, with most doctors this is not an issue.

We can do without the petty name calling..
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2007 01:01 pm
Bartikus wrote:
Why not tell that to the abortionist and point out his hypocrisy for once. Or will it just fall on his deaf ears? Let's see if your listening skills are any better....

What hypocracy? What abortionist for that matter? Are you referring to the mother or the doctor, or perhaps just anyone who thinks that it's not the place of government to decide?

As for my listening skills, you know very little. I am an advocate to reduce the number of abortions. I however advocate to do so by offering better alternatives and enabling women to CHOOSE to keep. Removing that CHOICE is a false concept. It would only be giving the CHOICE to someone else. See China for the examples...

Bartikus wrote:

If you seen me with a sign stating "The practice of medicine is not only to prevent death but to improve life." in front of a planned parenthood building.....what would you think or say?

I'd think you'd need to be standing in front of congress instead and rallying for...

1) better wages
2) tax breaks for people who need it (as opposed to who want it)
3) money into schools and after school programs
4) free birth control
5) funding for adoption programs
6) abortions, as a practice, being moved into hospitols
7) inpatient and outpatient care for women concidering abortion or having an abortion
8) etc.

Other than that, if I saw you in front of PP with the sign, I think I'd be struck with the irony of the image alone.

Bartikus wrote:

Another way to address this is to ask...

1.) Under what circumstances does the abortionist prevent death?

Again, what abortionist?

Your question is non sequitur. The abortion's objective is not to prevent death, but to address the later of my quote.

Bartikus wrote:

2.) In what ways does an abortionist improve life?

I'm stunned that you have to ask.

Concider the alternative, concider the circumstanaces, concider timing, concider support, concider health, concider consequence.

"I wonder if you can"
~John Lennon

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